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[–] damnedfurry@lemmy.world 48 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm not convinced Donald Trump has any actual political positions. He's more concerned with himself and his own ego than anything else. Didn't he generally express Democrat/left views for decades up until shortly before he decided to run for office?

I have no doubt he'd happily say anything, if he thought it'd improve his chances at 'winning'.

[–] Reddfugee42@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

You name it he's said it. He has no core beliefs across time except Donald Trump.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

His followers certainly have some positions though.

[–] HowManyNimons@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  1. Who the fuck is this Biden?
  2. Who decided where the zero point on these graphs' axes are? The definition of a centrist is subjective and time-dependent.
[–] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

There's a reason why political compass is a meme. It's a terrible way of organizing political ideology.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 7 points 3 months ago

For 2., I think it's useful to put the origin at the status quo/current conditions.

For me, this helps to clarify my voting choices: if the candidate pushes you in the correct direction


even if only a little


then that's a good thing!

[–] MrMakabar 13 points 3 months ago

Because this is what changed this election. The progressive voter base of the Democrats has made clear that they are willing to not vote, instead of voting for Biden. The Democrats were happy that the Republicans moved right, as they could occupy the center and win most elections. This forces them to actually move further left to appease the progressive no longer base and win those votes.

Well done. This is actually a good way of moving the country in the left direction. However they also have to show, that they are willing to vote, if the Democrats do what they want or at least move towards them.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

I wouldn't put Trump further right; I would put him further up (more authoritarian).

[–] LibertyLizard 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Is this legit and if so what’s the source and methodology? I would have put Biden closer to the center personally though I think he’s in the correct quadrant.

[–] boredsquirrel 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

How yall take this seriously

[–] LibertyLizard 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I’m just curious about. It could be totally made up or it could be someone’s real attempt at placing them based on policies and statements. If it’s the latter I’d like more information on how they did so.

Do you have something more substantial you want to share?

[–] boredsquirrel 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I dont know US politics well, but I assume Biden is ideologically and economically about 70% conservative, 30% "left".

Just the small amount of reasonable brain cells to keep the economy stable, with basic healthcare and no misinformation wars.

[–] LibertyLizard 3 points 3 months ago

Yeah I think that’s pretty accurate. Obviously depends on where you draw the line between left and right though. In the US he’s considered center-left by most people, but the US is a pretty right-wing country—or at least those with political power are.

He is to the right of social democrats and progressives, but to the left of classical liberals if that gives you an idea.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago

Mass carbon monoxide poisoning

[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago

It might be legit. But it isn’t accurate, or even a good representation of political opinions. I have no idea what the source is.

There is a solid chance that someone mapped biden’s would-be responses to some political compass test’s questions and genuinely got this. I know the most famous political compass has a few quirks like placing most people in libertarian left somewhere near the center, tends to exaggerate authoritarianism, and so on.

I’ve taken the most famous test a dozen times, and a few times throughout my life. I know I scored roughly 4, -4 in early high school, and -7,-8 later on. But last time I took it I was -9, -9, and though that’s a small gap, my politics are nowhere what they used to be. I went from a right wing libertarian to a libertarian democratic market socialist, to an anarchist communist.

The difference on the compass between -7, -8 and -9, -9 is tiny, but past me and current me are so far apart ideologically that the gap there is silly.

Personally, I’d have him at 4, 5, though his reaction to things post oct. 7 is making me consider placing him more towards the top right.

And now that I think about the fact that I want to place him way up there kinda shows how our view on where people should be on this compass is based on nothing than relative opinions, vibes, and the issues we care most about.