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Corporates. 60€/month is an acceptable price for them.

Not entirely true. I experienced it with curl. Snap of it exists and it mostly works. But apt install curl will install regular curl. From what I've seen on my Ubuntu it installs a snap only if the apt package is set to install a snap. Such as Firefox. It doesn't exist in Ubuntu's repo anymore, only as a metapackage.

• In my humble opinion, the stock experience on Gnome sucks. No desktop icons, no dock, no minimize maximize buttons, no app indicators. I only use Gnome because of the changes Ubuntu made to it, which can be replicated on other distros with a script.

• That's valid. Ubuntu has shipped with wayland by default since some time ago but wasn't the first one. They don't seem to adopt the latest technology as fast. Which I like. Even the new LTS still gives you the option to use X.org in GDM.

• Also true. If you don't like Snaps and aren't comfortable with more and more packages being replaced by them, Ubuntu isn't the distro to use. I don't mind the metapackages installing snaps instead at all honestly. The terminal clearly says it's installing a snap. And from my experience they work great. I was recently using wsl and needed yt-dlp. I went for the snap right away and it worked great.

In fact the only broken snaps I have encountered so far are OBS and curl (which can't access root directories, making it useless for the script I needed)

Lmao. As if corporate operating systems were bad. What makes RedHat that much better tho? I want to know. From what I've seen they are both bringing a lot of value to the FOSS space.

Fair enough. Tho if you do discover some functional hardware that's unsupported by W11, know that you don't have to turn to Linux at all.

Download the Windows 11 ISO and tick an option to mitigate the new requirements in Rufus. That's all you have to do. Or download the Windows 10 IoT iso from massgrave. Supported until 2030-something.

I should've worded that better then. Linux wouldn't be anywhere when it comes to consumer devices like laptops and desktops. It's possible that without Canonical someone else would've made a just works distro for regular people, but they were the first. As far as I know that is. I haven't used Linux around 2004.

If you don’t think that both of those things are true of Canonical, go try to install the .deb version of Firefox.

I opened a 24.04 VM just for fun. I cosplayed a regular user who discovered that his snap version of firefox isn't working well.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux

I copied and pasted the commands from there, to add mozilla's repo and downloaded firefox from there. Then I went into Ubuntu's new GUI app store and clicked Uninstall next to Firefox. Super hard stuff. Walled garden with walls so tall I can't see their end.

By doing what exactly? Snap's server being proprietary doesn't affect anyone at all, what else?

That's not what I said. I didn't claim that Ubuntu invented the idea of a software store. I just said that they add a lot of value to Debian. So Ubuntu's existence is perfectly justified. And replicating their setup takes time. Especially how their gnome is set up. i have a script that turns vanilla Gnome on any distro into one that looks like Ubuntu's, so I know.

Is Linux Mint useless as well? It just preconfigures Debian/Ubuntu to be more user friendly. Anyone can do that on their own.

I think you're far too gone if you genuinely believe there's no need for Ubuntu.

Ubuntu has its own kernel, they have a security team making patches specifically for Ubuntu, there's a tool that detects any drivers your device needs and downloads them for you, and their GNOME implementation is the best I've seen. I also like the new software centre in 24.04, displaying both apt and snap packages when you search for them, really fast.

And yes I know, you will tell me that you can replicate all of this on Debian. And you can replicate basically everything Debian can do on RHEL. So there's no need for Debian. Ans there's no need for RHEL since...

If there really was no point in using Ubuntu, people wouldn't use it. And yes this applies to Windows as well. Users aren't braindead idiots. If there is a much better alternative that suits their needs they will use that instead.

Edit: Also free 10 year support for non-commercial use.