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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 516 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (36 children)

Judkins said that after the finger test, a lead cybertruck engineer at Tesla said he did the video wrong.

The engineer told him the frunk increases in pressure every single time it closes and detects resistance, Judkins said. It's going to assume you want to close the frunk and maybe something like a bag is getting in the way, which would make it close harder.

Are you kidding me? You did the test wrong on a safety critical feature? No you dumbass engineer, you designed it wrong. Why in the holy fuck would you make a safety critical algorithm keep applying more pressure on subsequent attempts??? That's literally the opposite of what you do for safety.

[–] MamboGator@lemmy.world 252 points 6 months ago (4 children)

This is why, as a software developer, I'm against designing any system that assumes what the user wants and tries to do it for them automatically. On the occasions where the assumption is right, it's a mild convenience at best. When it's wrong, it is always infuriating if not dangerous.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 124 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, I'm an embedded software developer myself and yeah, when we architect our code we have safety critical sections identified with software safety reviews and we always go with the assumption that we're going to run into that one guy who's the living embodiment of Murphy's law and go from there with that design to minimize the potential for injury and death.

Can't imagine who the hell is in charge of the software safety reviews there that let that pass.

[–] Killing_Spark@feddit.de 83 points 6 months ago (3 children)

You think a company run by Elon has an extensive software safety review system?

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 58 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They did, but Elon asked one of them for a latte and they brought him one with 2% instead of oatmilk so he gutted the whole department.

/s, because it might be to be specified.

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[–] best_username_ever@sh.itjust.works 34 points 6 months ago

Same in the medical devices industry. We have whole teams of non-developers whose job is to find out when and why a surgeon can be a moron. The code is more difficult to write, but it's way better and more robust.

[–] hersh@literature.cafe 61 points 6 months ago

"Smart" may as well be synonymous with "unpredictable". I don't need my computer to be smart. I need it to be predictable, consistent, and undemanding.

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[–] ech@lemm.ee 139 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The engineer told him the frunk increases in pressure every single time it closes and detects resistance, Judkins said. It’s going to assume you want to close the frunk and maybe something like a bag is getting in the way, which would make it close harder.

What the fuck kind of idiots are leading things over there? "Something's in the way. Better crush it!" What a bunch of morons putting everyone in danger.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 49 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"If it encounters resistance, the brushless motor increases in pressure until it closes fully." Guess the company:

  1. DeWalt
  2. Milwaukee
  3. Makita
  4. Tesla
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[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 99 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Why the hell would it close harder if there is something in the way? That's not the correct behavior for a lid, that's the correct behavior for powered shears.

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[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 89 points 6 months ago (4 children)

We built it wrong as a joke

[–] SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de 53 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Cybertruck owners can have a finger guillotine. as a treat

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[–] jonne@infosec.pub 56 points 6 months ago

I wonder if the guy that designed autopilot had the same idea. "So when the car detects resistance up ahead in the form of a crowd or wall, it will accelerate to make sure it goes through!"

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 211 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Feel like this could have been demonstrated with a hot dog

[–] Fermion@mander.xyz 101 points 6 months ago (20 children)

Or a chicken drumstick for somewhat similar bone strength.

[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 54 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Is this the dipstick that tried it with a carrot, it cut the tip off and then said he was going to try it with his finger to be sure?

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[–] CleoTheWizard@lemmy.world 60 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He did demonstrate it that way, specifically with a carrot. And it somewhat worked. The problem is they programmed it to do more and more pressure every time it fails meaning that doing the carrot first actually caused a safety issue. He only moved onto his finger because the safety feature seemed to be working.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The engineer told him the frunk increases in pressure every single time it closes and detects resistance, Judkins said. It's going to assume you want to close the frunk and maybe something like a bag is getting in the way, which would make it close harder.

Geniuses.

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[–] tedu@azorius.net 128 points 6 months ago (6 children)

There's plenty of dumb to go around, but the word frunk by itself is the dumbest thing about this story.

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 45 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I figured that was a fucking typo at first

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[–] Jerkface@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Let me guess: Front trunk? Please tell me I'm wrong.

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[–] bcron@lemmy.world 117 points 6 months ago (15 children)

Man youtubers are dumb as hell. Use a stick or something

[–] bitchkat@lemmy.world 81 points 6 months ago (12 children)

He used a banana, an organic dildo, and a carrot. It snapped the carrot and then he decided to try with his arm, hand, and finger.

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 111 points 6 months ago (5 children)

A Tesla engineer said the test was done wrong because the frunk increases in pressure every time.

"You are holding it wrong!" 🤣

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 71 points 6 months ago (12 children)

Of course it just keeps hitting harder when things are in the way.

Literally Tesla's response

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[–] Chozo@fedia.io 44 points 6 months ago (1 children)

He did the test wrong because he's experimenting with "safety" algorithms that the manufacturer has provided little-to-no documentation on and is having to come up with answers on his own. Maybe he wouldn't be "doing it wrong" if Tesla hadn't over-engineered every aspect of their piece of shit truck in the first place. This thing is a solution in search of a problem, and it'll chop your fingers off until it finds it.

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[–] ozymandias117@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago (3 children)

If it increases in pressure every time, I’m now curious how many times you need to close the trunk to cut a finger off

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[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 32 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

He forgot to turn on Finger Safe Mode™️ before closing the trunk

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[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 76 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Judkins said that after the finger test, a lead cybertruck engineer at Tesla said he did the video wrong.

lmao

[–] saigot@lemmy.ca 31 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Well apparently it's programmed to bypass the safety system after 3 attempts under the assumption that the user knows best.

This seems like a really dumb choice, but I can see why an engineer would want to point out that it's not incompetent engineering but an incompetent business department.

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[–] ShortFuse@lemmy.world 68 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Judkins said that after the finger test, a lead cybertruck engineer at Tesla said he did the video wrong.

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[–] asteriskeverything@lemmy.world 67 points 6 months ago

You know what they say.. Don't stick your finger in crazy

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 57 points 6 months ago

Bought it to begin with so his intelligence is suspect at the outset

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Title: Idiot Cybertruck Owner.

That's all you need for the title.

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[–] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 54 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What person with an automated cargo door closure mechanism has thought "stop protecting my stuff and just fucking close"?

I'll admit it annoys me when there's something in the way that keeps my door from latching and it reopens, but I'd rather have to clear the door and shut it manually than it force itself closed and jams the door or break my shit.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 33 points 6 months ago (10 children)

Its just like elevators, really. You put your hand in to stop the doors closing, they open again before touching your arm. Next time they close gently on your arm. Third time, the doors snap shut and the elevator ascends without further warning, resulting in traumatic amputation.

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[–] ristoril_zip@lemmy.zip 44 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Someone should tell this guy that hot dogs exist.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 43 points 6 months ago (4 children)

The cybertruck is the dumbest tech product and that's after you compare it to the Vision Pro and AI pin

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[–] froh42@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago

Do we also have something like r/dontputyourdickinthat on lemmy?

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 44 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I saw my first cybertruck in person the other day. It looks incredibly dumb in promotional photos, but it's astonishing how much stupider it looks in traffic surrounded by normal vehicles.

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[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 35 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

This is live example of how IQ doesn’t correlate with „success” though who knows if this funny test would even correlate with what we mean when we think of intelligence in this example

Maybe the greed for views and fanboism wins over no matter the brains

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 35 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The YouTuber started the video by closing the frunk on produce like a carrot, cucumber, and banana before the update was installed. The frunk chopped all of the produce when it was placed in the frunk.

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The YouTuber then tried the same test with the update installed and was impressed with the improvement.

"With just a software update, the Tesla Cybertruck frunk is way safer," he said. "We witnessed it destroy a ton of vegetables, and then post-update did nothing."

He didn't do a finger until building confidence first. He also tried an arm and then his hand before finally trying his finger.

So not as crazy as the article made it out to be, and his finger wasn't seriously hurt either, but it hurt enough that he didn't want to try it again after getting info from the engineer about it getting stronger after each failed attempt.

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[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 35 points 6 months ago (2 children)

The crazy part to me is that he tried a carrot and it didn't open for it. Yet he thought it was a good idea to try his finger which it about the same size.

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