No Stupid Questions

No. Liberals have always been closer to fascists than socialists. Look which way liberals in Weimar Germany went.

No. And they've said as much.

"Clinton would not pledge to support Sanders if he won the 2020 Democratic nomination."

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-sen-bernie-sanders-likes/story?id=68424746

“However – I do reject socialism as a economic system. If people have that view, that’s their view. That is not the view of the Democratic Party.” - Pelosi

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/04/15/politics/nancy-pelosi-socialism/index.html

The DNC will never let a leftist get past the primaries. They'd sooner lose, as they've shown us for the last 3 elections.

We know the answer to that from how Bernie was treated

Assuming Bernie could get on the ticket, I absolutely believe people would have voted for him.

The problem is of course getting him on the ticket.

If they had believable policies, and realistic paths to achieve them, absolutely I would.

No question.

I don’t know, we should do this and find out.

Liberals already tried to get Bernie on the ticket in 2016, but the DNC fucked us on that.

Let me put it this way... Here's the 2020 DNC primary donations:

I sincerely have no idea.

The narrative that a leftist couldn't win is repeated so predictably and so often and by so many people that the whole idea has become sort of detached from reality, and there's no telling what would happen if it was actually a possibility.

And particularly since the one thing I'd pretty much guarantee is that the concerted efforts on the part of the ruling class to prevent a leftist from running would be as nothing compared to what they'd do and say in order to prevent one from winning.

the haters, the racists, the sexists, the homophobes, the gun fondlers, the diesel fume huffers, and the bible thumpers vote repulbican every. single. time.

too many democrats jump ship and stay home, vote for the no chance party, or republican if a candidate doesn't support every little policy and issue they want or who supports something they don't. even if the fate of the nation and democracy is at stake, they'll abandon reason.

I think democrats would, for the most part. Perhaps less enthusiastically, but since they hate Trump, I think it would not be a major issue.

The question is, how would low-information unaffiliated voters respond to having a socialist in the ballot? This is a difficult question to answer. Traditionally socialism is a bad word in US politics, albeit less so with younger voters.

Personally I don’t really buy the “Bernie would have won” stuff but there’s really only one way to find out.

I mean that's how Obama won his first term so probably yes.

Sanders? Probably.

Someone else? Depends on their policies and what you mean by "liberals". If you mean general center-left / Democrat base types, probably they vote for the DNC nominee. If you mean people devoted to Enlightenment Liberalism, it depends on how authoritarian the the candidate is.

No. When you leave social media echo chambers like Lemmy, you hear liberals and others right of center talking about how Kamala was too liberal.

I mean, at least for me, the question is "Who?"

In more ways than one. It's quite evident to me now that a candidate needs to be charismatic, not just have some good ideas, to motivate voters to take their side. But "leftism" and "leftist" are still pretty vague labels. Just personally, some of the left-wing figures in the US today would earn my vote and some would not. More broadly, and I think there'd be a big difference between voters-at-large's willingness to accept Bernie-esque proposals and some of the more out-there stuff I've seen.

I think it's fair to say that ~80% of voters will just follow whatever their party's media outlets say they should vote for. If a proper leftist and actually got the DNC nomination, I don't think many classic liberals would think twice about voting for them.

No, they'd side with the corporations cause they luv them

It doesn't matter who decides to run for president .... it's all dependent on who gets the most marketing / advertising and promotional campaign - which all requires money. So it means whoever has the most money or whoever can influence the most money can run for president.

It isn't the message that matters ... it doesn't matter if its left, right, up or down .. whoever gets to achieve the most influence over the wealthiest individuals gets to run for president.

Absolutely not. Type "Lamont Lieberman" (without the quotes) into a search engine for more info. Also "Clinton puma". In the opposite direction, Kamala Harris lost a lot of Biden voters. Biden was considered relatively left of center (though nowhere near as leftist as Sanders) back in the day.