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  • Microsoft removes guide on converting Microsoft accounts to Local, pushing for Microsoft sign-ins.
  • Instructions once available, now missing - likely due to company's preference for Microsoft accounts.
  • People may resist switching to Microsoft accounts for privacy reasons, despite company's stance.
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[–] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 244 points 4 months ago (14 children)

I was able to circumvent all of this on my Windows 10 machine, by installing Linux Mint.

I didn't even have to throw out my PC for not being good enough for Windows 11.

[–] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 45 points 4 months ago (41 children)

Microsoft is unable to track local accounts as thoroughly.

I was finally going to attempt installing Linux Mint only to find out it is not as simple as some say. I know less than nothing about computers and then there are mirrors you have to choose from to download. I have no idea what would be a safe secure mirror.

Then you have to install other software I have no knowledge of to make a bootable drive....I am just not intelligent enough I suppose. I was hoping it was a simple download process.

I am just a tad bit frustrated!

[–] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 66 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Dont you worry, mint provides a detailed step by step tutorial on how to do things:

https://linuxmint-installation-guide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

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[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 47 points 4 months ago

All of the mirrors listed on their website are safe. Just pick one close to you. If it downloads too slow, you can try a different mirror. If you know how to use bittorrent, you can use their torrent link. It will typically be the fastest.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 36 points 4 months ago (12 children)

To answer your first question, ALL of the mirrors are safe. The idea with mirrors is that you choose one that is geographically close to your location (same country, maybe the same region or state) to help reduce lag in downloading the files. Any selection is valid, all of the mirrors will have the same content, but for your location some mirrors may simply be faster or slower than others.

One other thing you might run in to is different types of installers. Some may be a very minimal install which only give you a command line, while others will provide a fully configured desktop. You might also see an option for a "Live" version -- that is something you put on a bootable memory stick and you can test out a working version of the operating system without actually changing anything on your computer, but all of your settings will go away when you reboot.

I haven't used Mint so I can't provide specific info, however some things that are common to ANY linux desktop -- You probably want to start with printer drivers (install CUPS) and some office software (install LibreOffice). For internet access, Firefox and Thunderbird are good choices. LicreOffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird can all also be used on Windows if you want to check them out ahead of time. There are many lists online that can point you to equivalent software, so like if you use Lightroom on windows, you might try Darkroom on linux. basically you just need to make a list of what Windows software you use and then install a similar package in linux.

Yes you will need some time to learn the new operating system and all the new software, very little will be 100% exactly the same, but they are "close enough". You figured out how to use all these things once before, so you can do it again, and it will definitely be worth the effort.

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[–] Grippler@feddit.dk 17 points 4 months ago (5 children)

Then you have to install other software I have no knowledge of to make a bootable drive

Eh, this is the same for windows as well, you always need some sort of installation medium to boot and install from regardless of OS.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 23 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The difference is OP probably got their device with Windows already installed and they only needed to go through the setup steps. Setting up the installation media really is the biggest barrier of entry to linux right now. A lot of distros are so easy to set up with a step-by-step gui installer, but a lot of non technical users don’t have the knowledge, skill, or motivation to download an iso and create a bootable drive.

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[–] nexussapphire@lemm.ee 210 points 4 months ago (36 children)

Anyone who wants to switch to Linux we welcome you with open arms. Ask as many questions as you need. There are no stupid questions just bad answers. (You probably know the type)

If you can't switch, that's ok. Alot of us know what it's like, especially us gamers, Nvidia card owners, and recovering adobe-holics. Life is tougher but a whole lot more rewarding. I moved from windows/Macos and I wouldn't give it up for anything.

[–] lennivelkant@discuss.tchncs.de 35 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm actually gaming on nvidia! Didn't take any tinkering either. I got the Nvidia version of Nobara, which many steam games "just work" on.

That's not to say I didn't start tinkering anyway, but new games I install and just run work fine.

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[–] LoganNineFingers@lemmy.ca 26 points 4 months ago (7 children)

This is the nicest way someone's put it. I've tried to switch to Linux three or four times but until there is a distro that makes it plug and play like Windows or mac its going to be a tough sell. I consider myself tech savvy enough (I can google things, and for goodness sake at the bare minimum I can cut and paste into the terminal) but the barrier for getting Linux to work is too high right now for a very large part of the population.

I have W10 computer running the arrs and my plex server that I'm going to have to figure out as I can't get W11 on it.

I want to do it so bad!.... but I think I'll probably just end up getting a new, used computer that can run W11

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[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (12 children)

I need a PC that runs with no monitor and gets interfaced with through remote desktop only. I just installed Linux on that machine. It currently must have a keyboard and monitor because if it gets rebooted, it comes to the login screen. The login screen cannot be brought up via remote desktop (RDP through Remmina). I also have so far been unable to find a way to force it to automatically sign in "passwordless" like it used to do with Windows.

This box runs Plex as well as whatever game server I want to run for friends and I at the moment. (Currently Minecraft, which is having trouble since th switchover with server lag, but that is far less important than being able to reboot the screenless server box and have it work with no further input )

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Configuring automatic login shouldn't be difficult. Here are instructions on Ubuntu (should work on any GNOME system), and here's how to do it with pretty much any KDE system. This is a feature of desktop managers (like gdm or sddm), not desktop environments (like GNOME or KDE), so if neither works for you, you're probably using a different one. If that's the case, reply with your distro and as much info as you can provide.

That said, what exactly is the problem you're trying to solve? It's usually a lot easier to login remotely using SSH instead of remote desktop, and then use console commands to do whatever you need. To login with SSH:

ssh <user>@<IP address>

So if your username is tux and your IP is 1.2.3.4:

ssh tux@1.2.3.4

And then if you want to reboot:

sudo reboot

And if you want to shutdown:

sudo shutdown -h now

I use an app on my phone to login, so I can get it done while sitting on the toilet in like 10s (I use it to unlock my computer so my kids can use it). If you're accessing from your computer and just need to run a single command, provide it after the command in quotes (note, sudo commands won't prompt for a password and will just fail).

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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 154 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

What's crazy is the cybersecurity teams at big corporations actually hate this because its putting half their security in Microsofts hands. (And their security has been abysmal for a hot minute or more)

Corporations hate this shit too because they want to be using their internal, domain-controlled users, not Microsoft accounts that pass a ton of trade secrets to Microsoft. Is Microsoft training its AI on your trade secrets? Who knows!

So Microsoft is literally killing core competencies not just for end-users, but for businesses, too.

This will convince a lot of businesses the switch to an all Linux internal domain to be worth it, imho.

[–] mark3748@sh.itjust.works 76 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What’s even crazier is that corporate customers don’t actually deal with this in any way! There’s no Microsoft account required on an Active Directory controlled PC.

Source: I am big corporate IT. Oh, and my personal AD deployment, outside of work

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (9 children)

How are you accomplishing this? Provisioning the PCs to be part of the domain with a Powershell install script during automated setup? Because I was under the impression that this also had become a difficult task with 11. Because a Windows 11 machine doesn't know it's going to be part of the domain until it has been added to the domain. So, the only way I can see that working is like Powershell combined with WDS or something.

Source: Am small IT

EDIT: Also, the LTSC version of Windows 11 isn't coming until later in 2024. So I'm very curious how this works with 11 specifically.

[–] mark3748@sh.itjust.works 22 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Windows 11 Enterprise likely uses a different OOBE, I just tell it to join during setup. At work, everything is image-based and pre-configured so no standard OOBE.

Like most things at MS, those with the resources get everything they want while the little guy gets screwed.

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[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago (2 children)

As cool as it would be to see a big shift to Linux, I think you underestimate how deeply entrenched companies are with Microsoft, so unwilling to change, the lack of support for proprietary software, and probably most importantly, the lack of IT support to manage a Linux environment.

I've been full Arch since December in my personal stuff and have been a Sys Admin+ for 9+ years. I would not say I currently have the skills to effectively administer a Linux environment. I could get there, and there is a lot of overlapping knowledge, like the network stack didn't change, but I don't think I'm an outlier.

I recently switched from being the sole IT guy at a small/medium company so a place with about 2k employees. I have maybe met a couple of people within the company IT that I think could make the switch relatively well, and 70% of others that just don't got it.

Long term it would probably be fine, but that's not how companies work in most cases. I just don't think most places are willing to bite the bullet now to benefit later.

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[–] Assman@sh.itjust.works 122 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Back in my day you could turn on the computer and operate it without anyone knowing. Our "internet connection" was demonic screeching from hell on the telephone and you didn't need it to play solitaire.

[–] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I miss those early days.

Computers were weird magic boxes with all kinds of zany and crazy shit you could put in them.

Games were just graphically impressive enough to lose yourself in, while not needing a super computer to run them.

The internet was a curiousity for nerds and not a corprotized information hoover adpocalypse hellscape for the exploitation of the masses.

[–] vingetcxly@thelemmy.club 21 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Linux exists. Made for you, not money. For Microsoft user experience is just a side effect in getting profit. It can well be replaced with marketing, as Microsoft has demonstrated.

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[–] Pechente@feddit.de 87 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Recently set up my Win 11 gaming pc and despite being tech savvy, I couldn’t get around the requirement without googling. I needed to run a fucking command in order for the Windows installer to let me create an offline account. That’s just so scammy. Imagine paying money for Windows.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

When you realize that micro$quash has never not been incredibly scammy and skeezy from the get-go, the modern business landscape makes more sense.

Also, every day is a good day to leave microsoft behind forever.

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 57 points 4 months ago (9 children)

Honest question: What does Microsoft expect people with no Internet access to do?

[–] Grippler@feddit.dk 77 points 4 months ago (1 children)

They're poor...fuck 'em, who needs them!?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 47 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is the actual, real, subpoena-the-emails-you’ll-find-it answer.

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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People with no internet access obviously don't exist.

[–] kevincox@lemmy.ml 45 points 4 months ago (6 children)

They added telemetry. 100% of responses had internet access.

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[–] sunzu@kbin.run 46 points 4 months ago (18 children)

At this point, the quicker people switch, the easier it will be for them.

You can learn linux today or you going to learn it next year. Choice is yours.

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

My whole company moved out of windows during the pandemic. It was all forced.

And surprisingly, after a year, it was pretty smooth.

Push your IT folks to do the same everybody. The money saved is significant. And the learning curve is annoying, but not as annoying as managing Windows.

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[–] UpperBroccoli@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 4 months ago (1 children)

UpperBroccoli really wants Microsoft gone after it pisses him off everyday for years

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[–] Iloveyurianime@ani.social 39 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Can someone ELI5 why the us goverment is doing nothing against these anti consumer practises

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago
[–] kava@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago (4 children)

You know how China has a strong centralized government and cooperates with their big companies? Government says jump, Huawei says how high?

We have a similar system. A strong centralized government that cooperates with the big companies. The primarily difference is that on the spectrum of

Government power <-----------> corporate power

The US leans more to the right.

Really what's interesting is both the US and China are slowly converging onto a point in the middle. Zizek said something like this some years back.. authoritarian capitalism is unfortunately the most effective form of capitalism.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 4 months ago (26 children)

The Microsoft cycle:

Microsoft does thing nobody likes -> people complain -> some people threaten to switch to Linux -> a few of those people do but most people don't -> They make some excuse and claim that once Linux reaches some arbitrary milestone they'll switch (Adobe support, better game support, better software support, etc) -> most of those people forget (they're a minority, the vast majority of people never cared) -> Microsoft notices and they became even more emboldened to make their products worse -> repeat

If you want change then you need to break the cycle

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[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 31 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Switch to Linux where all accounts are local accounts.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Linux supports network accounts of all kinds.

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I didn't say it didn't support network accounts, but you have to have a local account set up to sign into those network accounts. You can set up your computer fully without being connected to the internet and it won't give you grief about it.

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[–] Reygle@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I just want Microsoft gone.

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[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Another reason to use Linux

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[–] ppb1701@lemmy.today 17 points 4 months ago

the better to farm your information to advertise too you and try to tie you in to more subscriptions.

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

I had very modest needs for Windows. It was not my primary computing device, but there was one application that I ran on an older laptop all the time. All the recent drama pushed me to investigate a bit and I learned that the app is also on Linux. I was able to wipe and install Linux Mint easily despite not really knowing much about either OS. There are a lot of guides on youtube about the process that helped make it easy. Laptop is running well so far. I’m also using this as as a test to see if I can replace much of my Apple stuff with Linux as those devices start to age out. Thanks for the little push Microsoft.

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