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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 125 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Way too many people are absolutely appalled when I say I don’t care if some of my taxes go to keeping lazy people alive, inside, fed, and warm. I don’t care if someone is not working because they’re disabled, being educated, looking for a job, or just lazy, no one should live without basic human dignity.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean at this point scarcity is artificial

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[–] Godnroc@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

What else is labor good for if not making things better? I want to chase improvement, not profit.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

FR FR, defrauding the system should be punished, not prevented, because right now preventative measures are very obviously doing jack shit in actual service to the public

[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

I’m not even talking about fraud. I think someone should still be entitled to a basic existence even if they don’t want to work. Like sure, don’t give them an Xbox Series X, but, give them food and heat. Maybe even an Xbox 360. What are those, like $30?

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My point is that the argument for not doing that derives from paranoia about the system being defrauded by the unscrupulous poor or whatever

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[–] GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org 18 points 7 months ago

Laziness is NOT an existential threat.

[–] orbitz@lemmy.ca 13 points 7 months ago

I will gladly accept if my taxes go to someone lazy if it means people that need it are getting the assistance they need. It'll happen anyways may as well help people who need it. That said I don't condone people scamming the system but it's either very high administration costs or people that need it don't get it usually. I went on assistance once, needed it short term, recall some dude talking about how it was his weekend spending money. Annoying to hear but I got the assistance I needed for that short time till I got a job. Always felt my attitude would fit better in some European or Scandinavian countries but I'm older now and don't speak anything other than English.

[–] volvoxvsmarla@lemm.ee 4 points 7 months ago

I agree so much. The vast majority of people wants to work to some degree anyway because they tend to feel useless and bored and go nuts. I see this in the huge number of refugees every day, they are going insane waiting for their documents to be approved so they can finally look for a job, be it just McDonald's. And those who don't - well so be it. I'd rather have someone unemployed and "lazy" than half assing some job they hate.

I'd love to have a system where everything mentioned in the meme is provided and everyone pays like 90% taxes. You get an apartment in an appropriate size not more than 15 minutes from your workplace. You get basic groceries provided and if you want truffles or crazy imported fruit you still have your 10% for that. Those 10% can go to whatever you like. You have housing. You have food. You have clothing. You have infrastructure and all your basic and medium needs are met. Save up for a trip somewhere, buy weird groceries, jewelry, go to a restaurant.

And there are just natural leaders and politicians and whatnot. I am sure that people will still want to have a "career" for money unrelated reasons. Imagine a manager who actually rocks at managing a team instead of an asshole who only does this job because it pays better. Likewise, and this hurts me so much when I see this on the playground, "low end jobs" would still be done because a lot of people love the idea of doing construction, waiting, cooking, cleaning. Garbage men are being looked up to by kids. Kids naturally love these kinds of jobs but somewhere along the way to adulthood the social stigma kicks in and the realisation that these jobs pay shit keeps them from going down these roads.

[–] Prunebutt 43 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

Minor nitpick: if it's snowing outside (and you can do so), then wear a fucking sweater inside! Heating a whole room by a few degrees when you could just not run around with a T-shirt is just so wasteful.

If you can't wear one, because you're disabled, then ignore my rant, please.

[–] azenyr@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Electricity companies hate this trick!

For real I dont understand why people forget that they can just wear thicker clothes even at home. And they complain the electricity is expensive

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[–] Iceblade02@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Significantly lowering indoors temperatures can have detrimental effects on health, particularly for elderly people. Also, electricity should be sufficiently accessible and cheap that I don't need to freeze my butt off in my home in order to pay the bills.

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

Ah, to be young again and not have your hands and feed start freezing indoors when it starts getting chilly outside...

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[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 37 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If everyone has a home how can I look down on the homeless and drug addicted while I drink cheap bourbon?

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Gesundheit.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago

If only we could codify these 'rights' into some kind of a 'bill'...

[–] space@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Everyone is talking about the politics, but there's that symbol in the bottom right that drew my attention. Is it some encoded data?

[–] The_Tired_Horizon@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Wondering the same

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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Honestly if we just tax the rich and start distributing government surplus we probably wouldn't even need to mandate most of this list.

[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think you could mandate the things you mentioned and the list.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 4 points 7 months ago

Yeah both is good but I just wanted to really illustrate that the thing standing in our way is inequality.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 16 points 7 months ago (26 children)

UBI, single payer, and free college for all. Yes we can, and absolutely should!

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[–] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] TastehWaffleZ@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm a simple man. I see Eddie Izzard, I upvote

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[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

Heck, if we could have all that for free, what's the point of working?

[–] nUbee@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'd continue working if it meant I could afford more luxury in life.

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[–] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 7 months ago (11 children)
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[–] toxicbubble@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

civlized countries are starting to realize it's cheaper to help people than keep them in poverty

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago

You are promising a lot from an institution that is corrupt to its core and has a vested interest in denying you these things in order to extract the most out of you and hoping you die before society has to support you

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 7 months ago

No! We can't do this! That's communism!

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

So what if now hear me out we do none of that, and do number go up instead - you know - for the shareholders?

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