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[–] sentient_loom@sh.itjust.works 139 points 7 months ago (7 children)

CDs are just digital files plus waste. Vinyl is a musical ritual.

[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 55 points 7 months ago (40 children)

CD is still the only way to buy a digital popular music in most countries.

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 42 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't forget digital music stores like Qobuz and www.bandcamp.com.

Artists get more money when you buy their music outright instead of stream it.

[–] MeatsOfRage@lemmy.world 39 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Bandcamp was bought by Epic Games, who fired half the staff and sold off the remainder to some kind of nebulous music licencing platform. I wouldn't cheer them on much longer, I see dark days ahead.

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 14 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Seriously? Fucking hell, that's depressing.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 43 points 7 months ago (9 children)

vinyl is cool, but cd is the digital recording, mastered in a known manner, to a high degree. It's the most consistent form of product you will get from music. Plus it's a physically collectable thing. And it's cheap.

I'm not made of money over here.

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[–] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 39 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Vinyls break easily and sound kinda meh, even with decent equipment. CDs have fairly good quality and are easy to store and handle. Honestly I get why people like vinyl, big discs are fun and tinkering with analog stuff is its own hobby, but when it comes to collecting I prefer CDs.

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[–] BakerBagel@midwest.social 28 points 7 months ago (2 children)

No one can take the music on your CD's from you. I bought loads if sings and albums from Google Music and they are all gone now

[–] Nurgle@lemmy.world 30 points 7 months ago (2 children)

No one can take my flacs either. 🐷🧇

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[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is a reason to avoid DRM, not digital files in general.

(My condolences for being bitten, though.)

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[–] dantheclamman@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago

I'm glad I saved my CDs, as I was able to rerip them to FLAC and undo the mistake my juvenile self made of ripping to WMA. I still keep the CDs to play in my car from time to time

[–] mindlesscrollyparrot@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 7 months ago (6 children)

CDs are digital files plus ownership.

[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Once you download a music file, nobody is taking it away from you.

And CDs can have DRM just like any other digital media.

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[–] NaoPb@eviltoast.org 22 points 7 months ago (1 children)

While I agree with you, I still want to be able to buy CDs.

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[–] Alk@lemmy.world 48 points 7 months ago (25 children)

What is everyone's opinions on the sound quality of vinyl?

I understand the collectibility of physical media, and the novelty of owning a vinyl and the machine that plays them. The large art piece that is the case (and often the disc itself). Showing support for your favorite artists by owning physical media from them.

Those are great reasons to collect vinyl.

But a lot of my friends claim vinly is of higher audio quality than anything else, period. This is provably false, but it seems to be a common opinion.

How often have you seen this and what are your thoughts on it?

[–] mojo_raisin@lemmy.world 57 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Technically CD quality digital is superior, but the recording and mixing can have a lot to do with it. For example, it could be that an decades old Dark Side Of The Moon on vinyl (played on proper equipment) could sound better than a modern remastered CD with maximized loudness (See the "loudness wars").

[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 27 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's not impossible, although the loudness wars are pretty much over nowadays. All major music services and players have volume normalisation, many by default, so there's not much point to it any longer.

Also it's pretty tough to find a decades old record still in mint condition, and the sound quality of vinyl gets worse every time you play it.

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 42 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Higher audio quality than CD? No, that is demonstrably false.

More pleasant to listen to than CD or other digital formats? Yes, that I agree with. It's entirely subjective, but I'm definitely not alone in the feeling. The fact it is hard to quantify is why lots of people don't "get" vinyl until they've sat and heard it on a decent system. Something about it is pleasing. As another commenter mentioned, it might just be the imperfections.

So I guess it's a bit of a philosophical question. If CDs technically sound better, but vinyl sounds more pleasing: does the vinyl then sound better? People tend to chase pleasure, and in the time it takes someone to explain how much lower the noise floor is on CD or how we can only perceive so many samples, etc, etc -- you could have been chilling with multiple records and had a great listening experience.

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[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemm.ee 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I know it's not highest quality.

For me, the imperfect sound is what makes a nicer experience. Slight hum, little pop once in a while, teensy skip, etc.

Not to mention that I'm far more inclined to listen to an entire album because of the need to interact with the vinyl to set the needle and flip sides.

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[–] snooggums@midwest.social 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

Vinyl has a slow progression in quality degradation due to friction that creates a certain kind of sound warmth that is pleasing to our ears. This can also be relicated digitally, but the imperfections and feelings associated with the physical ritual actions of loading a record can't.

Vinyl just has more engagement going on despite the sound quality being lower. Kind of like how some people have fondness for fireplaces despite central heating being technically better at maintaining a warm temperature.

Some people confuse the extra engagement with sound quality because a lot of people just don't think things through.

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[–] JoeCoT@fedia.io 14 points 7 months ago (4 children)

The best explanation I've seen is that music is mixed differently for CD/streaming and vinyl.

For mass market, the move has been to mix for louder bass and similar things. The idea being that it makes the music more popular. But it also makes it difficult to appreciate anything but the bass.

On vinyl, you can't max out bass like that, it won't work on the format. So they have to give it a normal mix instead, making it sound better. In theory CDs should sound better than vinyl, but because of the music production trends, it doesn't currently.

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[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And I bet horse carriages outsold the Ford Model-T this year too

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[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 32 points 7 months ago

Because CD is a medium for data shrinking in popularity and vinyl is a token of being cool growing in popularity, of course it does.

[–] sirico@feddit.uk 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)
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[–] root_beer@midwest.social 21 points 7 months ago (4 children)

I want to know what “other” is that is also clobbering CDs. Can’t say it’s streaming because it’s physical media. The article mentions that half a million cassettes were sold, but that doesn’t really answer the question. That “other” takes up a lot of space relative to CDs so I’m pretty curious.

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

I dug into the RIAA Source PDF the article references for what "other" means:

"Includes CD Singles, Cassettes, Vinyl Singles, DVD Audio, SACD"

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[–] ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 20 points 7 months ago

I knew piracy was eating into music sales but poor artists and distributors only generating less than $2 of revenue in the US per year? That’s like 1 CD in a clearance sale. They should start a charity.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (18 children)

If you’re curious, nearly half a million cassettes sold last year, too, according to Billboard.

I'm more curious about who's still selling music on cassette and who's willing to buy it.

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[–] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (6 children)

Wow. What is that ‘other’ physical medium? Is MiniDisc also coming back and beating CDs?

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[–] RGB3x3@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (7 children)

Vinyl, which tends to be pricier than the newer format, also far outstripped CDs in actual money made, raking in $1.4 billion compared to $537 million from CDs.

Vinyl is definitely overpriced these days. I do love all the art and care that artists seem to put into their vinyl releases, but typically I'm spending $30-$50 on a new vinyl release. But what am I going to do? Not buy that limited edition colored vinyl gatefold with art and lyric pages?

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

A whole $1.91!! Wow!

[–] EmperorHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 7 months ago (5 children)

yeah, because if you buy something digitally, it will get stolen from you.

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago (4 children)

CD's are real objects and not digital goods.

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[–] CoolMatt@lemmy.ca 14 points 7 months ago (41 children)

Vinyls are great, but I can't copy them to my phone so I still have to buy a CD with it.

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (5 children)

I don't really buy vinyl to listen to it, but for the larger cover art and liner notes

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[–] Hammerheart@programming.dev 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

One of my favorite things about vinyl is having to flip the record over. I think it demands more active and respectful listening.

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[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 11 points 7 months ago (15 children)

I was thinking about investing in a vinyl player recently and was really sad to learn Vinyl is actually worse for audio quality. The standard thickness of the disk is a physical limitation for frequencies which means the sound gets "squished."

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[–] danielfgom@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

That's because it's getting harder to find CD's plus the majority of people buy digital

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