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The rule — announced late last month by the National Labor Relations Board –- sets new standards for determining when two companies should be considered “joint employers” under the National Labor Relations Act.

It sounds wonky. But essentially, the rule could widen the number of companies that must participate in labor negotiations alongside their franchisees or independent contractors. For example, it might require Burger King to bargain with workers even though most of its U.S. restaurants are owned by franchisees. Or it could require Amazon to negotiate with delivery drivers who are employed by independent contractors.

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[–] ASaltPepper@lemmy.one 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Once independent contractors are able to unionize I believe union membership will go way up. I've read of Google having "red-badge" contractors not even being given earthquake safety gear in safety exercises, just to keep them as separate from the company as possible.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was a contractor for one of the big players. They had plenty of ways to remind you that you weren't on their team.

[–] atoro@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

Same, I was a "green badge" among all the "blue badge" direct hires

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What is earthquake safety gear?

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

Found the Google contractor

[–] IlliteratiDomine@infosec.pub 6 points 1 year ago

This article describes the contents of a few kits, but it's pretty typical emergency stuff. A first aid kit, whistle, flashlight, some calories dense foods, maybe a Google-branded water bottle.

[–] Spaghetti_Hitchens@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's geat that makes sure the earthquake is unharmed

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Won't someone think of the earthquake???

[–] Adalast@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ok, the Amazon thing pissed me off. I realized that the drivers are illegally being classified as 1099 contractors. 1099 contractors are not allowed to have required schedules, not allowed to have mandatory meetings, and are required to have specific goals/periods/responsibilities in a contract with a definite term. Why the fuck isn't the NLRB/DoL/IRS dropping the hammer on them for their illegal employment practices. They are skirting paying employment tax, they are abusing employees, they are skirting full-time benefit requirements. Fuck. Can someone with power please start cracking down on the abuse of 1099 tax codes.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Amazon uses contracted companies so if a union action happens or one of them gets caught running the 1099 scam Amazon can just cut ties and walk away. Amazon is clearly coordinating their contractors to violate labor law but there's no regulation that can really get to them. Until now

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Can someone with power please start cracking down on the abuse of 1099 tax codes.

Gotta vote for people who care.

Never blame those in power when it's the constituency who put them there.

[–] JamesFire@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never blame those in power when it’s the constituency who put them there.

We can blame both tho

Spinning it as if those elected have no blame is absurd. They know what they're doing.

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I mean, abusers are never going away. They will always be there.

The answer is to prevent them from gaining power, which we routinely fail to do.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Too often those same politicians lied in order to get elected, then backtracked on promises.

It's not the victims' fault when the criminals win.

[–] Tikiporch@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FedEx will feel this if passed.

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 year ago

This sounds amazing. 🤞

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does anyone think this would have been possible under the orange menace, anyone?

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But Biden same! Hexbear told me so!

[–] trackcharlie@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Look, we need to be demanding free education because there's no world in which McDonalds allows a union. You guys seen the price of a burger and the SIZE recently? The only way they're going to respond is by firing everyone and putting a rush on flippy.

For those who don't know who flippy is: https://misorobotics.com/flippy/

Some careers get automated, some jobs aren't worth keeping and this is absolutely one of them. Fast food work is going away and it's not coming back, just like the milkman or the newspaper delivery kid.

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good. Using machines to do the work we don't want to is how we started producing more food than we can eat and enabled us to focus more on what we enjoy.

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

we started producing more food than we can eat and enabled us to focus more on what we enjoy

I'm all for eliminating scarcity and automating the kind of work nobody thrives doing, but I also recall Keynes famously predicted that if productivity kept on growing the way it was, it would be possible for people to work a 15-hour work week and still maintain a modern standard of living.

Well, productivity did keep on growing, and the promise of future-leisure time because productivity gains made want a thing of the past... didn't pan out.

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's because we keep funneling as many resources as possible to as few people as possible in the vain hopes that we might one day join them.

The quality of life for the ruling class is inconceivable to those in the working class.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

We also need a tax law to support the displaced workers. This seems like a very socialist idea but there's so much automation coming down the line that our current model will lead to a demand shock that destroys the economy.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$15 for a union job? Where is this?

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Its where you find a union job. Alternatively, you could unionize your workplace and make at a $15 union job

[–] XbSuper@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

What kind of union is only getting it's workers $15 an hour? What a pathetic union that would be.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If the union can only provide me with access to 30k/yr jobs, why the fuck am I in that union

[–] thelastknowngod@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago

Because it could be half that without a union.

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I make $21 an hour right now at a very non-union job. $15 is shit wages

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Then why comment at all? Obviously many people make less than you...

[–] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

In my country 7$/hour considered high...

[–] XbSuper@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Are we not allowed to disagree on here? I didn't realize lemmy was becoming a "safe space".

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

This is good.

[–] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Joints that have employees?

Legal weed is a strange strange world.

[–] uis@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Legal weed in strongest weed

[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Joint employer rules have never been that complicated. You want to know what makes them complicated, is that a Supreme Court judge can read regulations and say... oh well it says here that X is defined by Y, so we went back and found a case in 1930 that said that Y can be this, so that is the definition we are going to go by, and our ruling will set president for all future legal cases. Regulations don't mean shit when the Supreme Court can interpret them however they like.

Pretty much.

The court can just arbitrarily decide that laws like this aren't valid unless they existed in 1790. Apparently that's how democracy works: A council of elders elected by no one and accountable to no one decide what we are allowed to do.