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The Wrath of Khan ruined Khan's character.

Khan was introduced in the episode Space Seed, where his crew of genetically-enhanced tyrants are discovered hibernating on a ship, having been kicked off Earth centuries before. It’s a wonderful episode about opposing moral perspectives, and we get the positive and negative views on both.

You could say it’s about slave/herd morality versus master/strength morality, or you could say it’s about compassionate humanism vs tyrannical domination. Both these perspectives are given their space in the episode.

Khan talks about how they were actually persecuted for their reproductive schemes, how that’s an infringement on their freedom. That makes him somewhat sympathetic, but at the same time he accepts nobody’s rules except his own.

The most interesting part is how the crew of the Enterprise are actually enamoured with the strength, charisma, and freedom of the tyrants. The final scene (after they defeat Khan) show the crew almost lamenting how they can’t do the kind of tyranny that Khan does. They want it, they kind of respect it, but they acknowledge the importance of equality and rule of law, so they almost-grudgingly agree that they did the right thing by defeating him.

When they defeat Khan they exile his crew once again to a harsh planet.

Ultimately the episode demonstrates why fascism will always be alluring to men and women, and also why it’s important to make sure that it doesn’t take over.

Then we get The Wrath of Khan. Khan is no longer charismatic. There’s no philosophical discussion. Just a revenge story. And this is somehow the version of Khan we remember!

You could argue that Khan’s vengeful turn is what happens when the spirit of freedom is crushed and ostracized. That would make a good arc, and a good psychological study. But none of that is discussed. He’s just a bitter, resentful loser who will stop at nothing to hurt Kirk. Khan as a character is ruined, and the story isn’t even ten percent as good as the episode where he was introduced.

Edit: I had the name of the episode wrong.

Mine is that Ahsoka has become a bit overrated over the past decade. Yes, we grew up with the clone wars, we saw her grow into a fantastic character, and yes she deserves the attention she's getting. But everything she's in now seems to be just to get adult fans nostalgic for their childhood. I'm worried that I'm going to stop caring the next time Disney makes a new property about her. It's hard seeing my childhood die in front of me while I watch.

Moral of story: stop making sequels. I want another season of Andor!

Edit: I might be illiterate

I can't fucken see shit on the new ship sets except for on SNW. They all adopted Klingon lighting or something and even my glasses leave the scenes like the end of GoT.

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The entire franchise should be handed over to Simon Pegg.

He has the most thoughtful understanding of what Star Trek is suppose to be since Ronald Moore, Jeri Taylor, and Ira Steven Behr.

Picard should have died in season 1 of PIC and the rest of the seasons should have concentrated on the new crew gallivanting across the galaxy in their newly christened ship, “The Picard”.

SNW should never have killed off Hemmer.

Cumberbatch was miscast as Khan.

Jeffrey Combs is awesome. That is all.

Tasha should have stayed.

The 90s aesthetic doesn't make the second gen series unwatchable, but damn if it isn't hella distracting. (It's the hair. And the wardrobe. But mostly the hair.)

Picard was the best captain, but Sisko was the best.

Keiko wasn't that bad of a character. She wasn't a great character, but the biggest problem was that her actress, Rosalind Chao, had very poor chemistry with Colm Meaney, who in turn had great chemistry primarily with Alexander Siddig, and also with several other actors. This wasn't a problem when she was cast in "Data's Day" as the bride to be with nervous bride energy, if anything that's an asset in such a short time frame. But then expecting that to work in what is supposed to be a long-term marriage is what led to perception of her being all MIIIIIILES all the time.

Now, I don't know that mid to late 90s Star Trek producers would have been on board, but they should have written an amicable divorce plot for the O'Briens. Miles and Keiko clearly grew apart from each other over the course of the show. Between her extended trips to Bajor and the way she all but threw Miles at Kira, they were already about 85% of the way there anyway. A divorce would have been a great way to resolve that issue, and use Star Trek as it was always intended: to explore real life issues in a scifi universe.

Vulcans are a completely unbelievable race. There is absolutely no logic to being so diafainful to other races yet it's pretty much universal amongst Vulcans.

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They need to actually give a full look into the economics of the federation. Yeah, it's space communism. But I want more specifics.

Measure of a Man is legally and philosophically nonsense. It doesn't grapple with any of the history of questions around consciousness, and there has got to be dedicated JAG officers on the Enterprise who are better equipped to handle the case.

Lower Decks deserves 7 seasons x23 episodes per season, with better quality animation for the space-based visuals

oh boy. here we go.

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You're telling me that there's never been a single rogue captain in Starfleets history that has just not started unloading photon torpedoes and plasma blasters and all kinds of crazy shit on a random planet just to see what the fuck happened?

Think of the mining potentials if nothing else? You can just sift through the wreckage rather than digging.

Wake up sheeple

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