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[–] oxomoxo@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (8 children)

Setting some odd stuff aside, like how the shooter was able to get onto such a close roof, despite people seeing him get up there. What really makes me curious is why the guy was such a bad shot.

Was it nerves, inexperience, or was the intent to make Trump into a martyr? I have to assume he probably was hoping for “suicide by cop”, and if your going to end things what do you have to lose but make everyone forget that he was just convicted and everyone now knows about his rapey, pedo past. Just makes you think… ya know?

[–] evidences@lemmy.world 51 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

20 year old kid with no military training shooting at a 6 inch wide target at 400 feet with no scope and only iron sights. Honestly the fact the he grazed the ear says to me it wasn't that bad of a shot.

[–] oxomoxo@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

I agree, Incompetence is very likely the reason. Just a lot of odd details in this whole thing…

[–] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is the ear graze even confirmed? TMZ was reporting it was fragment of teleprompter that shattered, cutting his ear.

[–] evidences@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Interesting, that's the first I've heard this. I'll be interested to see if that gets confirmed. Though I just saw a photo of the secret service piling on top of him and there's two intact teleprompters astride the podium.

[–] TheMightyCanuck@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah that's why I can't say it with confidence, only that I had heard it alleged

[–] refalo@programming.dev 31 points 4 months ago (4 children)

inexperienced. head shots are not what professionals go for... that's only if you want to show off. also there are reports Trump moved his head right before it happened and that could have saved his life. Yet another reason you don't go for the head.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Always aim for the crotch, it would have been way funnier to clip it.

[–] neoman4426@fedia.io 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But then you're shooting a probably full diaper depending on how long it had been since he'd been changed.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

Imagine having like 10 secret service guys shove his face into the spilled diaper remnants.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

According to Stormy Daniels, that's a much smaller target

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Thought the same, but maybe he was aiming center mass? Doesn't take much of to be off at 300" with iron.

In any case, you're right, he was certainly inexperienced.

[–] Peppycito@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago

At 300 inches I could hit him with a putting wedge.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think there was a photo showing a hit center mass, but people under the protection of secret service usually wear vests during campaign stops and rallys

[–] dvoraqs@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I know the photo you are talking about and I had that same impression at first. That was a red hat that looked like blood on his torso, though.

[–] bane_killgrind 1 points 4 months ago

He wears body armor now though

[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We'll need to wait on a full report to know on his accuracy. If only one shot was him hitting an ear going for the head at 100-150 yards is absolutely respectable accuracy. If 9 were him that's quite poor accuracy.

[–] oxomoxo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Guess he didn’t hit Trump at all. It was shrapnel from a teleprompter reflector.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

That hasn't been confirmed I believe

[–] David_Eight@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I don't understand how that's possible? The teleprompter would presumably be in front of Trump but, his ear facing back was injured. Or am I missing something?

[–] oxomoxo@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

As someone else mentioned, this isn’t confirmed, it’s just what some law enforcement have claimed. However the teleprompter system has multiple reflectors off to each side so that the speaker can look side to side while tallking and still have their prompts. So it’s possible to have the glass blow back to one side of Trump. I am sure we will find out more in the coming days and weeks…

[–] David_Eight@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I see, thanks for the explanation.

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

I read someone on here say he didn't have a scope on his AR. From that range with no scope, it's surprising he actually did hit Trump at all.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

News article claimed he was turned away from his high school rifle club for being a shit shot. Nerves probably played a role as well, seeing his he got domed seconds after opening fire.

[–] oxomoxo@lemmy.world 0 points 4 months ago

I saw the posts yesterday about how he was not accepted at his high school club for being a "comically" bad shot, which explains why this was so bad, but doesn't explain how it was so good as the latest reports are saying he only missed Trump because he turned his head the moment he pulled the trigger.

What's also odd is why he chose to use a gun to begin with, especially one without a scope. I've also read he has some kind of explosive devices in his car.

At the end of the day he seems to be painted as just another young white outcast male who dealt with bullying and social rejection, like most of the other mass shooters.

The only missing piece now seems to be motive. Guess the dude has been confirmed by multiple sources to be far right conservative. Why would he try to assassinate Trump?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

Off by 2 inches, at a 150 yards, with iron sights, from a semi auto rifle, is not a bad shot. That would actually be an impressive shot at the shooting range. But you know what they say, "close only counts with horseshoes and hand grenades".

[–] notfromhere@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 months ago

In that type of situation, he would have known he wasn’t getting out alive. Did he fire only 1 shot? Also Crooks shooting a crook is just too good. Wtf timeline are we actually in?

[–] amanda@aggregatet.org 2 points 4 months ago

The best explanation for how he got there I’ve heard comes from Robert Evans in the podcast It Could Happen Here, and it’s the fact that there were a lot of different snipers on roofs from various organisations and normalcy bias ensured that everyone thought he was somebody else’s and just figured everything was fine.

[–] perestroika 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Trying to figure out whether he was genuinely Republican, using some kind of logic.

It seems fairly certain basing on this photo that he did not use an optical sight, at least not anything sizable. Attempting to assassinate a presidential candidate under Secret Service protection with iron sights on your gun...

...no, this guy wasn't a planner. So his registration as a Republican likely wasn't an elaborate plan either.

[–] Five 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Famously Simo Häyhä, one of the most successful snipers in history, used only an iron sight. This was an intentional choice along with other clever innovations like putting snow in his mouth to mask his breath and reduce his visibility to counter-snipers. An optical sight increases your profile and the glass will glint in the sun. I don't know if it was intentional, but when hunting a target in an area with heavy counter-sniper presence, using an iron sight is not a poorly-planned choice.

Given his voter registration, his membership in the Demolitia, his rural Pennsylvanian political meleiu, and his bullied incel backstory [YT], signs point to him being a genuine republican. The Republican voter records have not only his name but address, while the reported small Democrat political donation ~~only seems to have his name~~ has his name and address, but not any other secondary confirmation like a credit card that coincides with the deceased's social security.

Ironically while Crooks was taking aim, Demolition Tactical was bragging about how their followers were respectable, unlike a specific youtube influencer's who just happens to be black:

One flattering narrative is that he felt betrayed by the revelations about Project 2025, or confirmation of Katie Johnson's [YT] testimony about Trump's pedophilia in the recently released Epstein logs, or was just part of one of the many blue-collar conservative working families that Trump's organization has swindled out of their labor.

Alternatively, a week before the assassination, Nick Fuentes was on stream putting Trump on blast for backing away from Project 2025, along with Alex Jones. The simplest explanation is this is another case of stochastic terrorism from the alt-right.

EDIT: ActBlue also has his home address in the $15 donation tax filing.

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Was waiting on this, someone from the right who realized what the rest of the world knew already. That letting a self declared 'day one dictator' back at the reigns is bad for everyone.

[–] sonori@beehaw.org 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

We’ll see as the investigation progresses, but I suspect it’s unfortunately far more likely to be the more common reason for political assassinations in the US, which is to say that it’s far easier for most people to access guns than afford mental health services and medications, than any actually coherent understanding of what Trump is.

Outside of Lincoln, to my knowledge nearly all presidential and presidential candidate assassinations or near assassinations have been motivated more by deep seated mental health issues than the target’s actual politics. It’s possible this was an exception, but i’m not holding my breath.

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Maybe so maybe not, but you can bet that where they a registered D it would be shouted at the top of the hour from every conservative news outlet to feed the persecution complex. Case as it is though I would expect a lot of 'not a real Republican' spin on it.

[–] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 2 points 4 months ago

2FA in action

[–] Auzy@beehaw.org 9 points 4 months ago

Doesn't surprise me.

He might have potentially had someone who couldn't access an abortion or died during covid

Trump is neither right wing or left wing at this point. He'll do whatever works to consolidate power. And that will likely involve firing the supreme Court judges, as they're the only ones still with sufficient power to control him

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