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[–] femtech@midwest.social 102 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Ahhh more "health" quacks, I wonder if they also believe the COVID vaccines have 5g chips in them.

The town felt the residents would be 'unsafe' due to radio frequencies and rejected the company's notion of building the tower on the land.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 84 points 4 months ago (1 children)

$5 says when they build it anyway everyone starts complaining about health problems, then they say they haven't even turned it on yet

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 34 points 4 months ago

They've definitely done that before, dunno if it was deliberately. They must have somewhat of an idea how long it takes for nocebo to kick in with the local village idiots, if it's short enough it could actually be a rather good idea to make waiting a bit a general policy. Tank some mild capital and opportunity cost to prevent having to battle in court and the town newspaper? Sounds like a win to me.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 69 points 4 months ago (6 children)

Lol don't tell them about all the radio frequencies around them all the time

[–] aleph@lemm.ee 44 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Or the EMF generators they carry around with them in their pockets, A.K.A their phones.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 23 points 4 months ago

Lol yeah, the things that are actually emitting half of every back-and-forth radio communication between a device and a cell tower

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

Which ironically, would also have less emf if they allowed the tower to be built, as is they'll have higher emf and less battery life, since the radios will have to transmit at a higher power to get a good enough snr to next closest tower in their cell.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 4 months ago

Tell them how much power the TV and radio broadcast towers put out and watch them freak out. The analog TV stations ran even higher power than the digital ones do now.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I wonder what they must think of telecommunication satellites.

The space rays are making me sick!

[–] Alexstarfire@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

TBF, space rays make a lot of people sick. Skin cancer from UV rays.

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[–] athairmor@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

Wait ‘til they learn what the sun is putting out.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Do you remember when people started selling faraday cages to "safeguard" people's routers? So funny lol

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 4 months ago

They're beaming electromagnetic waves into your eyes, man!

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Ackshually, being too close to high power radio frequencies isn't safe. I remember at one base I was stationed at in Afghanistan, there was a smoke spot we all used to take breaks at. For some reason, I started developing really bad headaches and feeling kind of nauseous. I figured I was just acclimating to the local climate or something. After a few weeks, I was up on our building installing one of our satcom dishes on top of it when I noticed something. Right on the other side of the fence of that smoke area, was a ~2m high powered dish pointing just above above where the smoke area was. I pointed this out to the Norwegians that ran the camp and the break area was promptly moved, lol.

But seriously, I do not understand the anti-5G nutters.

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 13 points 4 months ago

FCC already has regulations on maximum power. These emitters are usually dozens of feet off the ground as well.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Hell the high power WiFi equipment^‡^ I installed at my Grandma's house had warnings about keeping a few feet clear of it when powered on due to health concerns and that's just WiFi equipment. I can't imagine the dosage of gnarly from a 2m powered dish.

‡ I installed that equipment because she wanted WiFi on all 10 acres of her property and she didn't want me to install more stations around her property. Now she has the broadcast equipment in her garage with a tape line on the floor like it's a Goddamned radiation research facility lol

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

WiFi emissions are tightly regulated and there are no “high power” WiFi equipment unless you flash custom firmware and break the law. The link you posted below is the same power as anything else, up to the maximum allows by law. This is not uncommon, every router / AP does this unless it’s some special low power model.

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[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The higher the frequency, the worse that is. So standing very close to an HF antenna that only broadcasts up to like say 30 megahertz is different than standing next to a 700 megahertz cell phone antenna, which is different from standing next to a 2.5 gigahertz cell phone antenna. The reasoning for that is due to power levels and wavelength of the radio signal itself.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (5 children)

Humans are most sensitive to EM radiation between 30-300 MHz. It tapers off after that, it’s not linear where higher = worse for you across the entire spectrum.

https://www.fcc.gov/engineering-technology/electromagnetic-compatibility-division/radio-frequency-safety/faq/rf-safety

In the case of exposure of the whole body, a standing ungrounded human adult absorbs RF energy at a maximum rate when the frequency of the RF radiation is in the range of about 70 MHz.  This means that the "whole-body" SAR is at a maximum under these conditions.  Because of this "resonance" phenomenon and consideration of children and grounded adults, RF safety standards are generally most restrictive in the frequency range of about 30 to 300 MHz.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

uncarrier only until we buyout sprint and drop the "un".

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 43 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I really wish the government would do their goddamn jobs regarding monopolies. Instead they are just accepting bribes and facilitating the mergers.

[–] Stoney_Logica1@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

Look into the current grocery monopoly in the making. Kroger is attempting to purchase Albertsons/Safeway.

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Mind crossposting this to !t_mobile@lemmy.ml?

Also, they will lose. The FCC has said that the companies can build towers where they are needed for coverage. They might have to make it look like a tree or something, but they cannot be rejected from building it.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago (4 children)

With the supreme Court overturning the Chevron decision last week, I'm not so sure that any federal regulatory bodies have much power anymore unless there's a specific law passed by Congress. That's what made that decision so dangerous, because the same applies to the FDA now regarding drugs and food.

[–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 27 points 4 months ago

https://www.scotusblog.com/2024/06/supreme-court-strikes-down-chevron-curtailing-power-of-federal-agencies/

A good overview of the circumstances of the recent Chevron decision.

Please note the final paragraph. Koch's goal is exactly this: bringing cases in front of the Supreme Court that, if won, would cause grave disturbances.

[–] shortwavesurfer@monero.town 8 points 4 months ago

You know, that's a good point. I didn't even think of that. But you're right.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago

They are missing out on a chance to get their free 5G magnetic mark of the beast skin

[–] 0x0@programming.dev 16 points 4 months ago (2 children)

The planning board's decision was based on health concerns due to the possible negative environmental impact of telecommunication on the residents, especially the children studying at the school who could potentially be exposed to electromagnetic radiation.

Because that surely would be the only cell tower in town.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh no, not electromagnetism! Someone tell these dipshits we live on a gigantic magnet

[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Also tell them we're constantly bombarded by electromagnetic radiation on the daily from the fucking sun

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[–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

Build it, don't turn it on, watch all the residents complain about new ailments and conditions caused by the 5G.

Reveal that it's never even been powered to really hammer home their ignorant bullshit.

The cognitively impaired should not be able to do this sort of shit.

[–] Cocodapuf@lemmy.world 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

This is hilarious, a win-win in my book. I get to laugh at the ridiculous claim about radio waves frying people's brains or whatever, and at the same time, every day of stalling hurts an exploitive POS telecom company.

I'm rooting for the loonies! Protect our kids! You show those lizard people!

[–] sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Lol.

But T-Mobile is less bad the other telecoms. The enemy of my enemy and all that.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Not so much anymore after kicking a bunch of people off their plans when they had guaranteed pricing along with a bunch of other shitty shenanigans they've been up to as of late. I've been a customer for close to 20 years but am thinking about jumping ship as of late.

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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Jesus, an entire town falling for unscientific bullshit.

It's also not like they're going to point the antennas straight down at the school. They have directionality. I bet not one RF engineer was consulted.

I'd like to walk these people through the school with an inductive amplifier probe and let them hear the 60hz hum and its harmonics permeating every hallway and classroom.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That website was not safe for viewing

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 4 points 4 months ago

Unless you view it with an adblocker, like a sane human would do. Looks perfectly normal for me.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago

My 5G coverage isn't good, it may be time for another COVID shot.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 9 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

The planning board's decision was based on health concerns due to the possible negative environmental impact of telecommunication on the residents, especially the children studying at the school who could potentially be exposed to electromagnetic radiation. The town felt the residents would be 'unsafe' due to radio frequencies and rejected the company's notion of building the tower on the land.

I mean, I think that the planning board is idiotic, but I don't see why T-Mobile cares enough to fight it. If they don't build it, okay. It looks like the school in question is right in the middle of town. Then Wanaque is going to have crummy cell coverage. Let them have bad cell coverage and build a tower somewhere else. It's not like this is the world's only place that could use better cell coverage. The main people who benefit from the coverage are Wanaque residents. Sure, okay, there's some secondary benefit to travelers, but if we get to the point that all the dead zones that travelers pass through out there are covered, then cell providers can go worry about places that are determined not to have have cell coverage.

If I were cell companies, I'd just get together with the rest of the industry and start publishing a coverage score for cities for cell coverage. Put it online in some accessible database format, so that when places like city-data.com put up data on a city, they also show that the city has poor cell coverage and that would-be residents are aware of the fact.

[–] Zak@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

A quick web search for third-party coverage information tells me that Wanaque has good coverage from Verizon and poor coverage from T-Mobile. It's easy to guess why T-Mobile might be motivated to change that situation.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

How does anyone become sensitive to a 5g wireless signal? I could see maybe z pscemaker or some kind brain stimulator device but just a bare bones corpus delecti would seem to be known early enough to decide not to live near the broadcaster

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 10 points 4 months ago

How does anyone become sensitive to a 5g wireless signal?

Stupid and uneducated people not fit for modern society that get exposed to raw internet tend to be the most vulnerable group.

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[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Thank god I'm safe! And I will be dead and gone before it happens here. It's going to be decades before 5G is implemented where I live. Hell, 4G is spotty and unreliable even yet today. Even 3G was terrible.

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[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago

Ok now everyone put your magnetized needles in the Styrofoam and then make them float in the water to reveal where magnetic north is!

Ahh teacher... Magnetic north is dancing metal rock right now.

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