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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.blahaj.zone 142 points 6 months ago (3 children)

I've noticed this

Similar with the people who don't give a fuck about women's sports except for an excuse to marginalize trans people

[–] Excrubulent 39 points 6 months ago

They've been conditioned to respond to certain key phrases with certain responses.

So the trigger goes trans women -> care -> women's sports but you don't get women's sports -> care.

Or veganism -> care -> nutrition but not nutrition -> care.

Our brains are weird things, they have to develop links between ideas in both directions or else they stay one-way. It takes real work and discipline to develop critical thinking practices, and even then you have to keep working at it to minimise this kind of cognitive dissonance, and you'll never get rid of it entirely.

Of course it helps if you're not miseducated by authoritarian schooling practices and conservative media.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 12 points 6 months ago

Or how people care soooo much about babies lives until they leave the uterus . After that, they can go die for all they care.

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 62 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Fuck batteries, with keto I taste like fingernail polish remover!

[–] GluWu@lemm.ee 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I only eat polar bear liver in order to make my flesh and fluids outright toxic.

[–] humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

You just have more Vitamin Alpha than those cucks can handle.

[–] EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Fun fact: My wife ended up with pretty severe malabsorption after her bariatric surgery. Her vitamin A levels went so low that she had almost entirely lost her night vision. For like 6 years now she's been taking upwards of 125,000IU per day and only just recently her vitamin A levels have gotten just barely into the normal range.

So what I'm saying is my wife could actually eat an appreciable amount of polar bear liver and be fine.

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[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 55 points 6 months ago (5 children)

....how do vegans know what meaty humans taste like?

[–] wander1236@sh.itjust.works 94 points 6 months ago (2 children)

You could look at veganism as the practice of avoiding products from animals that can't consent, which doesn't necessarily take cannibalism off the table.

[–] Taleya@aussie.zone 33 points 6 months ago

Rammstein in the distance

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well, that would make some very interesting "consenting" cheese.

Love me some queso de mamacita

[–] BigFatNips@sh.itjust.works 47 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oral was what I thought the implication was. Lithi-cum ion batteries lol

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Isn’t semen an animal product?

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.ml 52 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Yeah but humans can give consent about the extraction process and how it is used after

[–] TimeNaan@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Unless it's a chinese communist milking farm! /s

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago

Well, when a mommy vegan and a daddy vegan love each other very much...

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

Unlike sexuality, vegans aren't born that way. It's usually by choice later in life, and a lot of vegans grew up not being vegan.

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[–] MilitantVegan@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I've read that vegans average fewer nutrient deficiencies than omnivores. People should be worrying more about getting enough whole-food fiber than they are about protein.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 16 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Yes and no because when vegans get nutrient deficient it hits them hard. Lack of fibre is completely benign compared to deficiencies in essential micronutrients -- fibre is not essential. You can have a maize and MSG diet if that also includes about two eggs a week your body is not going to be well off but it's going to cope instead of collapse.

And lots of prospective vegans are hit by those deficiencies, and then drop out, at least out of strict veganism. Nothing like a gal's period stopping to scare them off. Which, conversely, means that if vegans want to actually grow their numbers they should stop being all blase about nutrition. It definitely is possible to get enough iron, even as a gal, from a vegan diet but yes you gotta eat your lentils. There's alternatives but how in the everloving does it happen that people turn vegan and don't eat enough, of all things, lentils. I probably eat enough lentils and I'm not even vegan.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I'm a vegan. Lentils aren't a regular part of my diet. I'm willing to bet that they aren't in a lot of people's diets. I live in the US, and you kind of have to seek out lentils here. They aren't a rare and exotic food or anything like that, but which foods can you buy, ready-made, that contain lentils? Soup is about the only one I can think of.

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[–] 31337@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I wonder what kind of diet vegans are following that get deficiencies. I've been vegan for years (started because I had high cholesterol levels), and the only thing I've worried about is B12, which I get from enriched soy products or nutritional yeast. I try to just buy what's in season locally, then find vegan recipes or recipes that can easily be substituted to make vegan. I don't even eat much of the trendy "superfoods" like quinoa, kale, lentils, etc. More like collard/sweet potato/beet greens, chickpeas, pinto beans, root veggies, etc. I dunno where I get my iron from; probably greens. I also use veg or olive oil pretty liberally, especially in recipes that traditionally include beef or pork.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Chickpeas and pinto beans, legumes in general, are a decent source of iron. Lentils just happen to be the best legume, and pretty much best veggie overall.

It's definitely possible to get all nutrition from an intuitive diet, preconditions are a) having been exposed to enough different foodstuffs, b) not being addicted to junk food and c) a habit of cooking from scratch and follow your gut when planning meals. B12 really is the critical thing for vegans as non-animal sources are indeed very rare. There's a nutritional co-processor somewhere in us we wouldn't be here if we didn't have one. Also pregnant women couldn't suddenly crave pickles with Nutella without one. The trick is actually using it.

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[–] chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not Vegan, but I like trying to find Vegan meals I really enjoy, or close enough. One close enough is a bulgur bowl dish, using meat replacement and shawarma seasoning, tomatoes, cucumbers, sometimes chickpeas, sometimes grilled onions, and then the nonvegan parts: goat cheese and feta. Goat cheese is mixed with a little olive oil, garlic, and lemon juice to make it a sauce. There's no meat but ther is cheese, and it's a nice fiberous dish that helps reduce my meat intake anyway.

[–] twig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 6 months ago (1 children)

My main problem with strict dietary rhetoric is that it doesn't acknowledge the benefit of people eating vegan (or whatever) sometimes. Like it's a good thing to get nutrition from diverse sources and there's carryover benefit to the planet when doing this.

I'm not a vegan, but I eat a lot of plant-based meals and when I eat meat, because I eat less of it, it's generally local and ethically-raised. Militant vegans will often turn people from making decisions like this, and I think that's a shame.

I was a vegan for years. And I was careful about trying to get my nutrients. But I needed to eat so much more and I was lowkey tired all the time. When I started eating some meat again I felt ashamed of myself for not living up to the rhetoric. But it's just silly to treat this as an all or nothing type thing. A person eating beans and rice one day and a small amount of beef in a stir fry the next is... not the same as a person eating fried chicken every day, and I don't appreciate when anyone implies it is.

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 6 points 6 months ago

Classic "don't let prefect be the enemy of good."

When people reduce their commercial meat intake in favor of veggies, or humanely raised and slaughtered meat, they are having a beneficial effect. Period.

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Tf they think vegan people taste like rainbows and sunsets?

[–] confusedbytheBasics@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Having had vegan girlfriends and a wife who was vegan for a bit I can attest it makes a difference. Maybe not rainbows but they tasted much sweeter and more mild than average.

[–] interrobang@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 6 months ago

Yeah wife and i cut way back on meat, body odor in general is less.. gamey? Smokey? Something.

I really like it, I'm easily overwhelmed by strong smells and I can usually wear unscented deodorant now. I used to funk right through it immediately.

[–] MonkderDritte@feddit.de 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Does egg and dairy (vegetarian) make a difference?

[–] interrobang@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 months ago

Not op, but I eat very little meat, and when i stay with vegan friends and eat their food it takes me longer to feel dirty. Its wild.

Cutting red meat & fast food made the biggest difference, followed by other meat, then dairy, in body smell.

Now that i think about it, i play sports and get very cuddly with vegans and i can't remember ever noticing anyone smelling too bad, which is surprising.

I have started trying to eat closer to vegan before we visit, because I definitely notice the difference on myself and my wife.

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[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

generally, having a shit diet will make you not smell (and i guess certain.. parts.. taste) great.

whenever i eat mcdonalds i stink of some specific compound in their food for several days afterward, even if i shower thuroughly

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago

Meanwhile I can eat expired MREs and drnk nothing but Mt dew for a week and at worst I shit a brick and feel my teeth. Sounds like ya have a skill issue.

[–] PrincessTardigrade@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have noticed the same thing too... I think it's in the buns. At least I don't notice it with their fries or nuggets

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

maybe there are several parts of the food that curse you with a smell, because the specific one i'm thinking of smells like the mctasty sauce tastes, which makes the whole thing even more disturbing

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[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)

There are many subcultures around food. It's not like the world is split between vegans and junk food addicts.

The Cheeto and McDonalds eating crowd may have crappy nutrition but they're an extreme. The other extreme is meal-preppers. They know exactly how much chicken, rice and broccoli they're eating.

There are huge communities of people who are very health conscious. Some of them focus their consciousness on science, some of them on other methods. Some of those people are vegans. Some aren't.

[–] fidodo@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

Thing is anyone health conscious already knows that you can have good nutrition with a vegan diet. Anyone generalizing veganism as having bad nutrition without looking at the specifics of what someone is eating has no idea what they're talking about and probably don't have good nutrition themselves if they're that uninformed

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 5 points 6 months ago

Nice to see a sane take.

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[–] Godric@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Mmmmm cows I raised and deer I shot, how scrumptious and nutritious!

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[–] kaine@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

When someone concern trolls vegans regarding deficiencies, more than likely they do not give a fuck about the person they are talking. And that is fucking annoying tbh.

[–] LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'll translate this into more understandable English:

When someone who claims to be concerned about vegans regarding any possible nutrient deficiencies, and trolls them about it, more than likely they do not give a fuck about the vegan. And that is fucking annoying tbh.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Verily, when one doth profess concern for the welfare of vegans, yet doth engage in mockery and jest regarding their potential dearth of sustenance, 'tis most probable that such a one harbors no genuine care for the vegan's well-being. 'Tis indeed vexatious and perturbing, if truth be told.

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[–] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

I care for literally nothing about veganism; weirdly though it's starting to pop up everywhere I look this week.

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