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[–] Ragdoll_X@lemmy.world 68 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

As a leftist, I can relate. Thought Slime annoys me sometimes.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Thought slime has some mixed-quality takes, but is, above all else a wokescold crybully, making them incredibly toxic and counter-productive.

[–] Amaltheamannen@lemmy.ml 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What the hell does "wokescold crybully" even mean?

[–] Kiwi_Girl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 10 months ago

First results

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/wokescold

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/crybully

[–] Aradina@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago

It's how you call someone an "SJW" if you're self aware enough to know that the optics of calling people SJWs is bad.

[–] Stoneykins@mander.xyz 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for this recommendation, will be checking out Thought slime

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I never bothered with the collabs (because they are loooooong) snd not seen in a couple of years anyway, but their mainstay videos I thought really intelligently debunked/called out rightwing grift and the like

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[–] Prunebutt 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I only watch their youtube videos and don't really get that vibe from them. Am I missing some drama context or could you elaborate what makes them so bad?

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I haven't watched their content in a couple of years now, but there was a series of bad takes on Twitter, a hell of a lot of cringe, toxicity, self-centeredness, and performative self-victimisation, The main drama I saw was with Xanderhall and Vaush. On the other side of it, they've done a string of collaborations with varying levels of success.

Their videos were generally OK, if a little basic with some flawed analysis. They chose some interesting subjects, but their content took a meaningful dip not long after they came out as NB (I hope I don't have that wrong?). Hopefully the dip was just a short-term product of some of the stress and distraction, but their content wasn't strong enough to get me through it and I checked out.

If you like the content, you like it, and there's nothing wrong with that - it's not horrible, I just thought it stopped being worth watching (though hope that's changed).

[–] Prunebutt 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I guess I'm a bit lenient on them (yes, they're NB) since I like their jokes and theirpop-culture content and I admit: Their videos got me to consciously discover anarchism, which has become a cornerstone of my ideology. So I guess their flawed analysis was a good starting point before I got into the more meaty stuff.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I'm glad to hear that!

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Imagine having a Youtube platform with over 10k+ subscribers and using it to manufacture micro-celebrity drama.

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[+] artaxthehappyhorse@lemmy.ml 60 points 10 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 10 months ago

Centrism is just political talk for "i dont interact enough with society to see anything wrong with it".

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I agree with the principles of what you're saying, groupthink is certainly bad, but usually people align with other people with underlying foundational values and beliefs. Ie, people tend to support gay rights if they also support trans rights, because they stem from similar areas of prejudice. Intersectionality and all that.

Usually, the truly unique perspectives are for often contradictory views, like being an Anarchist Capitalist, though even then there are still groups of people who think similarly.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I agree with the principles of what you're saying, groupthink is certainly bad, but usually people align with other people with underlying foundational values and beliefs. Ie, people tend to support gay rights if they also support trans rights, because they stem from similar areas of prejudice.

But the foundational values vary from culture to culture. My country has a lot of people who are socially conservative, but not that many who support free-market economics. In your own example, we have a long tradition of transgender people, and they have laws protecting them from discrimination. On the other hand, homosexuality was a legal grey area until a few years ago, and their marriages are still not recognised by the law. Iran is an even more extreme example here, with gender reassignment surgery being state-subsidised, but homosexuality still illegal.

So I wonder to what extent political positions are universal, and to what extent they are an accident of history.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Culture plays a huge part in what is normative, yes, but actual positions tend to support other positions by proxy, like a web.

Essentially, it's understandable that a Socialist would also support FOSS development, as FOSS also rejects private ownership and the profit motive. However, it's less understandable that a huge supporter of the profit motive would love FOSS as much. They can reason that people should have the choice, but it breaks down just a bit.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

The current government in my country is definitely right of centre, and are pushing for Linux adoption, largely on a 'we should not be dependent on foreign companies for the software we use' plank. Although, to be fair, Linux was able to get a foothold in the first place because a communist state government tried using it in the 2000s. They succeeded, leading other states and the union government to follow suit.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago

Yep, you can advocate for leftist principles or leftist originated things as a right-winger, it just takes a large amount of justification in order to do so.

[–] Logical@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Being an anarchist capitalist really just stems from having a different definition of anarchism than most anarchist denominations (I'm not one btw, I've just spent a lot of time speaking to different types of anarchists in the past). I know it's just a sidenote and not your main point, just wanted to point it out.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 10 months ago (6 children)

Yes, but the anti-capitalist definition was the original definition. AnCaps adopted leftist aesthetics to hold a position that cannot logically exist.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They did? Every ancap I know is a raging libertarian who knows the age of consent in every state.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

Yes, in practice. They call themselves Anarchists because Anarchism is "cooler" and as a way to differentiate themselves from Libertarians, even though functionally they are almost identical.

[–] YeeterPan@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I mean, you're kind of giving the game away right?

Raging libertarian

Not an anarchist.

[–] Five 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Ironically libertarian was originally a synonym for anarchist, and was also stolen by the right.

One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, ‘our side,’ had captured a crucial word from the enemy . . . ‘Libertarians’ . . . had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over...

-- Murray Rothbard

Many still use the term "Libertarian Socialist" to specify they mean libertarian in the original sense.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

True, but the concept of an Anarchist government is also an oxymoron. Somebody has to make or carry out decisions in any group larger than 30 people. Even if the association is voluntary (like a club or sports team), there are leaders.

AnCaps just take the mental gymnastics to the next level.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not sure I entirely agree with that. FOSS is an excellent example of what Anarchism could look like; experts and those doing the work are the ones who make decisions, but anyone can fork it and there's no actual power being held by devs over users. That's not really a government.

Decentralized, horizontal structures are still structures, but can be fully Anarchist. Anarchism isn't just the absence of structure, it's a complex web of flat structures.

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[–] MamboGator@lemmy.world 51 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Everyone should be screeching about the things I'm currently screeching about. Oh, you're screeching about A? Clearly that means you don't care about the literal GENOCIDE happening at B.

/am leftist

[–] DreamerofDays@kbin.social 21 points 10 months ago

That. That, the scorched earth policy toward anyone not on board, and the nazification of everyone in any degree of opposition.

The horseshoe feels like a circle sometimes.

[–] Misconduct@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Did you just say you like chocolate ice cream??? Well that obviously means you hate strawberry ice cream by default you fascist pig!

[–] Nobody@lemmy.world 50 points 10 months ago (2 children)

“Yeah, that’s a good idea, but is it completely unassailable logic that is beyond all criticism? Because that’s definitely the best standard to use against the rough draft of an idea.”

The perfect is the enemy of the good. Less infighting among the green left would be very helpful.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

The decades long fight against nuclear that just made sure coal is used for longer... Pain...

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 6 points 10 months ago

The perfect is the enemy of the good

I can't speak for everywhere, but this line is frequently levied at the Greens party here in Australia, but it just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

In all of the noteworthy cases where they've voted against the "good", they have negotiated and later ended up voting in favour of the "better". In no case did they hold up hoping for "perfect".

But they're still blamed for voting down climate policy way back in 2009, despite the fact that independent Treasury modelling said the 2009 bill's climate policy wouldn't have had any reduction in emissions until 2035. That wasn't even "good". So they voted it down and negotiated with the Prime Minister who replaced the megalomaniac that refused to negotiate the first time, and passed world-leading policy in 2010, seeing immediate reduction in emissions.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 20 points 10 months ago

Don't believe that. It's just an excuse to avoid saying the real reasons, the ones they know are not cool.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

At a Christmas gathering, my sister-in-law decided that I'm a misogynist ... for no reason other than that I said I don't care for Taylor Swift's music. I genuinely thought she was joking, but nope she was dead serious. This meme hits home.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Yup I'm a leftie, and there are some positions on the left that annoy me. But that's fine, it wouldn't be good to be one gelatonous mass.

There are some positions I completely reject but they are extremely fringe left.

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I don't like them and they creep me out but Thought Slime was right about this one

Hell, Thought Slime is a perfect example of this! They annoy the SHIT out of me and I still refuse to join the right wing.

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Who/what the fuck is "slime"?

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fuck the right wing fuckers, and fuck you!

💕

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Yes! SEPARATELY.

[–] Telodzrum@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

The narcissism of small differences is extremely real.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 9 points 10 months ago

Crabs in a bucket, the tweet

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

ThoughtSlime would know, they're annoying as fuck ♥

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Liberalism is a spectrum, conservativism is a monolith.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 10 months ago

Liberalism isn't leftism, though. This is more poking at MLs fighting with DemSocs fighting with Anarchists fighting with Syndicalists fighting with Market Socialists, etc.

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