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Our battery completely changes that equation. Whether it's hooked up to a 120V or 240V connection, our battery charges gradually while you're not using it. Then, when you're ready to cook, it can quickly release the power it's stored up to achieve astoundingly high performance. We're talking 72,000 BTU/h. Compare that to 18,000 for the best gas stoves.

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[–] virku@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I wish this existed without the battery. Here in Norway most of us use electric. Gas is exotic.

But this top looks so damn good! I've longed for knobs and raised zones since I got my first induction stove top.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Induction ranges don't exist there?

They do not need battery in it. This is just a gimmick to make you need to pay for battery service or replacement. I would never buy an appliance like this that's dependant on a battery. It's frankly disgusting and terrible as shit for the environment.

[–] virku@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Not sure what an induction range is. But we have two types of cooking solutions: The combined oven and cooktop. Here you have knobs. And then you have integrated stovetops and standalone ovens. You get combinations og classic metal coils that stick out or ceramic tops with coils or induction in the combined ones. Are these ranges? The integrated ones are usually induction, but I think you can get the other ceramic ones as well.

But with regards to batteries what I was trying to say was that there are no reasons for them in Norwegian kitchens. We are used to having huge breakers for the stovetops alone. Our stovetop has 240v 25A and the oven has 240v 15A.

[–] sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

240V at 15A power draw gives 6000 watts power available. Because this thing has an internal battery it can supply 10 kW of power at peak. That's a fairly substantial increase.

Do you need that kind of power for your stove? Well, I would say usually no, unless you are serious about your wok. Stir frying in a wok is just about the only type of cooking where most home stove tops are clearly inadequate (restaurant grade setups go up to 150000 BTU). If you don't have enough heat output you are basically just sauteing the food, not stir frying.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Still waiting on that induction wok

The heat needs to travel up the sides for it to wok right

[–] virku@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Well I guess that extra peak is cool if you are into stir frys then. But I've never thought our cooking top wasn't powerful enough. I guess sometimes when I've cooked something sous vide and needed a quick sear at as hot as possible, but then I've just used our barbequeue.

Also the battery makes it so deep. I would have to sacrifice a whole drawer for it. And I don't have enough storage space as it is.

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I have a hard time conceptualizing using a stove that puts out 4 times the energy of the best gas stoves. It's not like we need pans to get even hotter. I guess maybe that level of power would be only really used to heat up water to a boil? I guess it could be pretty hard on the cookware. I think it would be more efficient to have a insulated water boiler that just keeps water just below boiling all day long.

I don't think I've ever cooked on induction, though, so maybe I'm missing something. Either way, though, I'm glad this technology seems to be coming along

[–] silence7 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Yeah, it's an instant-boil capability.

If they made a wok version of the stove, it would allow something equivalent to commercial-kitchen stir-fries.

The big deals for most people are:

  • the battery means you can run the stove off a 120v connection and avoid the expense of rewiring a kitchen built for gas
  • You get the ability to cook ~~for a week or so~~ during power outages
[–] poVoq 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Apparently the battery is only good for "three meals". But the idea is not bad, just overpriced a lot.

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

How many meals are you cooking consecutively, lol?

Edit: ah, you're talking about during outages. Still, 3 isn't bad. It would be cool if it was set up to charge off DC power, too

[–] SpaghettiYeti@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

This looks like something I can put on top of my gas stove, so I could have gas as a backup still.

[–] silence7 2 points 10 months ago

That's down a lot from what was proposed earlier when they first announced

[–] thisfro 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Don't know about the costs, but isn't rewiring cheaper in the long run?

[–] jadero 2 points 10 months ago

That's what I was thinking. My place isn't wired for 240v. I was initially excited. Then I saw the price and converted to Canadian dollars. It's been a while since I've priced it out, but I think it would be less expensive for me to put in 240v, get power to my shop, and buy a used electric stove. Obviously, I wouldn't have induction, but that's not something I actually care about.

[–] silence7 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Not if the stove (and its battery) last for several decades. Even with the higher cost of this stove as compared with other induction stoves, it's likely a cheaper choice for 10% to 20% of US households looking to get off gas.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Show me a battery that lasts decades..

[–] silence7 -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A lot of the EV batteries are likely to last 20+ years.

[–] thisfro 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean with "last" exactly?

[–] silence7 1 points 10 months ago

I mean retain about 70% of their original capacity. Most of them seem to be holding up to that.

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 points 10 months ago

Blatantly untrue

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Appliances that run on higher voltages are more efficient. You may lose out on energy costs

[–] silence7 2 points 10 months ago

It's a stove, which is usually a very small chunk of household energy consumption in the US. Heating and cooling tend to be the bulk of it, and where people concentrate on efficiency.

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I don't know how induction will ever be compatible with wok cooking. A huge part of it is keeping food moving by tossing it, and you would loose most of the heating by pulling the wok off the element

[–] silence7 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

There are induction wok ranges for sale, and from what I can tell people are happy with them.

[–] LilNaib 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As an additional (future) option, I love the idea of creating biochar, capturing the resulting syngas, and purifying the syngas for use as a plug-and-play alternative to propane compatible with their existing cookware.

I think this is sound from ecological and social standpoints. Propane is basically a byproduct of fossil fuel refinement, and as that goes away, so too, will propane, leaving behind a ton of wasted cookware etc. including the embodied carbon in its manufacture. By replacing the propane with another gas that's a byproduct of sequestration rather than fossil emissions, we save the embodied carbon and financially incentivize sequestration, while the people with cultural attachments to gas cooking can continue on.

[–] silence7 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Syngas is wildly more poisonous than methane or propane. Going to have a tough time getting people to pipe that into their homes.

[–] LilNaib 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hence why I said to purify it, and I only mentioned propane in the context of cooking, which is virtually if not always off-grid, so no piping.

[–] silence7 1 points 10 months ago

Syngas is a mix of carbon monoxide and hydrogen. Purifying it doesn't solve the major risks associated with having a lot of carbon monoxide around

[–] evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Ah, looks like it's dedicated curved ranges with a corresponding wok; that makes sense.

[–] JacobCoffinWrites 1 points 10 months ago

Now I'm picturing it with a switch that detects when the wok leaves the induction element and turns on a heat gun instead

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Seems perfect for the home metallurgist.

[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Building the future of home electrification

So, why a battery? It comes down to three main reasons:

Improve performance Make installation easy Pave the way towards resilient, efficient, fully-electrified home

All these points they make are bullshit.

[–] Biff@beehaw.org 3 points 10 months ago
[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 0 points 10 months ago

I'm curious, what makes them inaccurate?

[–] Thevenin@beehaw.org 1 points 10 months ago

A stove is probably the last thing I'd try to put batteries in, but being able to make wok hei stir-fry without a propane burner is going to be uniquely appealing to some people.