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[–] Zombiepirate@lemmy.world 285 points 1 year ago (2 children)

"No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Matthew 6:24

[–] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 109 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thank you. The best way to fight this is quoting scripture. Half these chuckles haven’t even seen a bible, let alone know what the words inside say.

[–] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 100 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If any of the chucklefucks actually gave a shit about what the bible says, they'd all be as socialist as Jesus and would've burned Trump at a stake for being the antichrist.

You can't deprogram religious extremists with religion.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm Jewish, and thus not an expert on Jesus by any means. Still, even I know that Biblical Jesus would be a socialist today, not a Republican.

He gave out free healthcare.

He fed the hungry without charging them.

He hung around people who were on the fringes of society.

He worked against the wealthy.

If Biblical Jesus were to magically appear in modern society, the only reason he would enter a MAGA church would be to flip a few tables.

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[–] ChronosWing@lemmy.zip 20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It doesn't matter, they pick and choose what they want to believe. If you try throwing scripture at them they just contort themselves into a pretzel trying to explain why that particular scripture is not to be taken literally.

[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just because they will be 100% unwilling to admit to you that they are actually physically experiencing the feeling of doubt, does not mean it isn't actually happening.

Don't expect them to be honest about what's going on inside them though. They value fighting, never giving up, persistence, dedication, loyalty, strength, power, confidence and security. None of these things makes it more likely for them to admit to you when something they disagree with might sound reasonable.

It's a defense mechanism. Can't just give it permission to function though.

You do have to back off before you actually infuriate them though, as the emotion of anger will strengthen the defense mechanisms dramatically. Better to walk away having peacefully left some food for thought. You can't convince them though, being so readily convinced would itself be unacceptable to them, just on principle.

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[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 22 points 1 year ago

Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

Matthew 19:21

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2019%3A21

[–] HuddaBudda@kbin.social 126 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Mathew 25: 36 - 40

I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Why does our country embody NONE of these ideals? Why do modern day Christians embody NONE of these ideals? How can we call ourselves a nation under god when we bomb innocent civilians, starve children for profit, imprison a population disproportionately then use them as slave labor, and shoot at immigrants for merely crossing an imaginary line.

What GOD would want us?

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What GOD would want us?

The one that fell the walls of Jericho and asked Abraham to kill his son to show loyalty, and tested Job by murdering his family. That's their god.

[–] Goodbyeworld@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I agree in sentiment with this, but any serious reading of the Christian Bible shows the entire point of Christ is basically replacing the vengeful god with a loving and forgiving one. These people are just bad Christians.

[–] jtk@lemmy.sdf.org 25 points 1 year ago (6 children)

What kind of god gets their own autobiography so wrong on the first try that it needs a revision?

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[–] makuus@pawb.social 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That’s the general shape of my reply when someone tries to tell me that it’s gay people or trans people or abortion or pornography that are ‘causing God to hate us’. You mean, it’s me and my husband and our trans friends, and not the hate and the murder and the greed and the privation of the downtrodden?

It’s never a productive conversation, let me tell you…

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[–] stormtrooper@sopuli.xyz 111 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Motherfucker better not mix fabrics.

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Also better not eat shellfish or pork. And he absolutely better not go back on his word. (The tale of Onan is sometimes misinterpreted as being about masturbation, but it's really about God killing a guy for going back on his word.)

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[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

He's wearing a good quality suit, he's mixing materials as that liner is almost certainly silk and the shirt linen or cotton.

[–] BillDaCatt@kbin.social 84 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It is odd to me how many people claim to be guided by a 400+ year old European version of a 2000+ year old Middle-Eastern text.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A text that's been edited and changed for political reasons since it existed

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[–] MagicShel@programming.dev 76 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That's such a classic answer because the bible doesn't say shit other than what we decide it says. Our interpretation of it follows cultural norms, not the other way around. One thing it damn sure doesn't say is abortion is wrong or that life begins at conception - it explicitly says the opposite and that hasn't somehow changed anyone's opinions.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are some seriously juicy bits in the bible I'd read to him and ask him: Is this really your world view?

[–] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (1 children)

His response: "The Bible says a lot of things." (Then ignores what it means)

[–] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

"The important thing to keep in mind is that there are cherry picked verses in the Bible that justify my bigoted views."

[–] randon31415@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago (4 children)

So has he sold all of his possessions and given the proceeds to the poor?

[–] Jeremyward@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

No no no, he worships supply side Jesus, not Hebrew Jesus. I mean fuck Jesus was brown...

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[–] Twentytwodividedby7@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

https://geoffrobson.com/2017/09/28/squaring-off-against-jed-bartlet-an-alternate-ending-to-the-west-wing-and-homosexuality/

If only we could have this conversation happen then:

Chapter and verse! I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here. I’m interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. She’s a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, and always cleared the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff, Leo McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly says he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or is it okay to call the police? Here’s one that’s really important, ‘cause we’ve got a lot of sports fans in this town. Touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean: Leviticus 11:7. If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother, John, for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads? Think about those questions, would you? One last thing, while you may be mistaking this for your monthly meeting of the Ignorant Tight-Ass Club, in this building, when the President stands, nobody sits.

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[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago

brb selling my daughter

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 47 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Elsewhere he wrote, “Experts project that homosexual marriage is the dark harbinger of chaos and sexual anarchy that could doom even the strongest republic.”

The gays are too powerful. Happily married homosexuals are too strong to contain.

[–] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who are these experts on gayness? His weekend buddies?

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[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Dude claims to be a Christian, but he’s the one who needs to read his Bible. Half the stuff he espouses doesn’t come from the New Testament.

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[–] wildcardology@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well he should sell one his daughters in slavery.

Exodus 21:7-11

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How does someone this deranged get elected to any position of power more influential than a homeowner's association?

[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 year ago

Leaded Gasoline and disinformation.

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[–] VikingHippie@lemmy.wtf 35 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I wonder what his two daughters think about him being fully on board with this:

[–] SARGEx117@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"ExCUSE ME? You cannot rape these men, I believe they are angels, and they're my guests! The AUDACITY of your request! How DARE you! But please, rape my daughters on your way out. I insist." -Lot

[–] TechyDad@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't worry. Those daughters got their revenge. After Sodom and Gemorah were destroyed, they got their father drunk, slept with him, and had his babies.

But the Bible is totally fine for kids to read, everyone!

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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago

Bet you anything this asshole ignores most, if not all, of the teachings of Jesus whenever it's convenient or profitable.

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

He's probably referring to the parts where women and slaves are property, you can beat your kids, and God orders his followers to commit genocides regularly.

[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

IF he reads his bible then he should know that there is almost unlimited room for interpreting most of its contents.

Does he not know how many different Christian denominations there are in the US? And that those exist because of theological differences?

I am concerned about the lack of depth he is demonstrating. Maybe I shouldn't be surprised.

ETA: It IS the house after all. My expectations should be lower, right?

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[–] carbonprop@lemmy.ca 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Contradictory, ridiculously outdated, and easy to twist to your narrative?

Great worldview.

[–] NecessaryWeevil@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

So I take it that he has no opinions about his civil rights, or anyone else’s. Because the Bible does not talk about our rights, only our responsibilities. You will not find a single verse referencing freedom of religion, surely. But also nothing about freedom of speech, the right to bear arms, freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, the right to privacy; or the right to a speedy trial by a jury of your peers, in which you have the right to face your accusers, and to see the evidence against you. And on and on, all the way down. Nothing at all.

These rights were so important to the colonists that they laid down their lives for them, against one the the most powerful empires in the history of the world. Why doesn’t Mike Johnson respect the founders of his own country? Or perhaps he doesn’t actually understand anything about it?

[–] masquenox@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sooo... that means he is qualified to hold a position in ancient Judea - not modern-day USA.

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Isn’t that the book that talks about horse semen and beastiality? Probably shouldn’t be in schools.

[–] SARGEx117@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

I've read the Bible, multiple times. And only once when I still considered myself a Christian.

I call BULLSHIT.

[–] CylonBunny@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

The hypocrisy of the modern Republican Party I guess, but what would such an apparently devout Christian man see in Donald Trump of all people?!

[–] ATDA@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You want atheists? That's how you get atheists

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[–] DumbAceDragon@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Implying that everyone not only has a Bible on their shelf, but multiple.

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[–] Ordoabchao@kbin.social 21 points 1 year ago (8 children)

A worldview from 2000 years ago. What forward thinking politicians we have in this day and age!

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[–] UnspecificGravity@lemmings.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Except don't actually do that because he hasn't read it either, just just does whatever the fuck he wants and ignores everything that doesn't agree with what he wanted it to say.

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