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Y'know like a real revolution to overthrow a tyrannical government with overwhelming numbers by far.

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[–] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 1 points 20 minutes ago* (last edited 12 minutes ago)

Legal Eagle has a video that explains what kinds of things Trump can do without legal consequences.

Seems to me, that if he wants to replicate the events of Tianamen Square on American soil, he can totally do that, and it’s entirely within his legal rights to do so.

Also, check the comments of that video. Chilling stuff.

[–] reddig33@lemmy.world 26 points 4 hours ago

A work stoppage would probably work better than a march, but as someone else mentioned we can’t even get most people to vote. So things will just continue to go downhill unless people suddenly wake up to what’s going on around them.

[–] MrPoopyButthole@lemmy.world 23 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Isn't this what the Trump crowd tried to do when he lost the last election? Didn't go so well.

[–] Boomkop3@reddthat.com 5 points 4 hours ago

No, his their idea and actions were a little more violent

[–] Garibaldee@lemm.ee 11 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Everyone would need to pack their own meals and bring their own tents to sleep in, most modern armies top out at a million people, imagine trying to coordinate anything with 100 million people, Tokyo has 40 million people and is the biggest city in the world, it would be logistically impossible on so many different levels

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 39 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

We can't even get more progressives than moderates/centrists to the Democratic primaries so I'd be pretty surprised to see even half that show up for something radical.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 26 points 5 hours ago (3 children)

100 million people even getting involved twice every four years (once for the primaries and once for the election) they could literally put anyone they wanted with any policy into the white house.

Pretending voting fixes issues? My brother in Christ you guys couldn't be bothered to vote! Trump lost ground in terms of absolute number of votes. Fewer people voted for him in 2024 than did in 2020.

Like jfc imagine saying voting doesn't fix things 2 days after an election where you forgot to vote.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 0 points 37 minutes ago

Enough with "brother in Christ"

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 14 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

My brother in Christ you guys couldn’t be bothered to vote!

I think we need to discuss the serious chance that the Free Palestine message was designed to disrupt and demoralize the left.

We already know that the LA Times non-endorse + WashPo non-endorse + Gannett (who owns hundreds of local papers) non-endorse was specifically designed to demoralize us in the days before the election.

One Billionaires being scared of Trump making a non-endorse play? Okay I can believe that. Three that happened all within days of each other as a seemingly pre planned strategy??

No. Just no. We have some major enemies working against us and specifically trying to demoralize us this year. And it worked.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

So you guys don't have free will or something? Papers don't endorse a candidate so you don't vote?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think we need to discuss the serious chance that the Free Palestine message was designed to disrupt and demoralize the left.

No! Really?

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 36 minutes ago

BuT gEnOCiDe

[–] Lauchs@lemmy.world 8 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think you meant to respond to op, but I pretty much agree with what you wrote.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

Lol oh shoot, I'm terrible at this app

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world -1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Why?

It's almost like you have a major political party running disinformation against you that is hampering your enthusiasm across every known modern media platform or something.

I wonder who could be hurting the enthusiasm of the left with blatant attacks like the prevention of Newspaper endorsements, fake AI stories and possible algorithmic control of memes.

[–] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Why? Because there aren’t as many leftist as lemmy would make you think.

Considering the fact that it is part of Russias strategy to polarize American politics to extremes so we can’t get anything done, and I dont see any of the leftists opinions from lemmy irl. I think most of it is being pushed by foreign actors.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

You are almost there but you are still slightly missing the point I'm trying to make.

Considering the fact that it is part of Russias strategy to polarize American politics to extremes

It is a specifically Russian strategy to demoralize the opposition through misinformation campaigns and the use of false flags.

A false leftist promoting a (on the surface) seemingly leftist point of view designed to disrupt and demoralize is within the Russian playbook. Case in point: Russians promoting both Blue Lives Matters and Black Lives Matters simultaneously, while specifically advocating for violence and otherwise making the discussion worse.

Now consider the messages that got out (and worked) in the last month of this election. Who created large arguments across Lemmy (pretending to be leftist) that Kamala is just as bad as Trumpon this issue?

Well, maybe some legitimate leftists believed that. But 100% if I were a Russian operative I know what message I'd be meming.

[–] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

More like claiming that democrats lost the election because they weren’t far enough left when the polls say it was because of inflation.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 2 points 5 hours ago

Sure, that's also sounds like a good disruption strategy.

The goal is to separate and disrupt us. And they will have fully paid specialists who strategize and are savvy on the latest arguments.

Anything that gets Democrats to tear each other apart is the goal. So we need to be careful about the whispers on the internet, and be more careful about thinking about who those whispers serve.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 hours ago

There's a Progressive Party in Oregon, supposedly one of the more progressive states in the US. They can't win even local elections. They ran three people for two Portland city council spots and didn't get a single vote between the three of them.

[–] dumbass@leminal.space 21 points 5 hours ago

I think that's called a civil war.

They’d deploy the national guard, and you can’t spell slaughter without laughter

[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 16 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Because it's VERY EASY to get almost 33% of people in the US to do something TOGETHER!

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Can't get 5 adults that REALLY want to play DnD together to play DnD.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 2 points 3 hours ago

I'm interested.

[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Cool. How will you lead these people? How will you communicate with all of them? How do you get all of them to trust you?

Well, you build up a network of trusted lieutenants who blitz the media with your message of unity. You organize your subordinates and their subordinates (and so on) until you have a network of trust with you at the top of it.

Of course, you will have competition. Run media disinformation campaigns on your supporters and the supporters of your opponents to hamper your opponents's followers enthusiasm while increasing the enthusiasm of your own followers.

Spread vile lies if you have to. Contradict yourself repeatedly, say whatever you need to increase enthusiasm for your side while hampering enthusiasm for the other side.

Then get roughly 75 million people to vote for you while torpedoing the other woman candidate's support to 68 million and win the 2024 election.


100 million isn't needed, at least by my calculations. About 75 million is what you probably need. Perhaps in the past you might be led to believe that 80 million was needed (say in 2020), but as it turns out the hampering of the opponents support from 80 million down to 68 million is a better strategy.

[–] intresteph@discuss.online 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I’m not happy with the result either, but that’s what happens when people stay at home instead of voting.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 1 points 4 hours ago

Now imagine if you voted for a good candidate and that vote didn't go directly in the trash ...

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 6 points 5 hours ago

What, now you disagree with both the Electoral College and the Popular Vote, so you want to have a revolution?

You crack me up.

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

So you’re mad about the vote and your conclusion is voting doesn’t matter?

Oh boy, this is why we’ve got a long road ahead

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 1 points 4 hours ago

This is so far from the top of the list of reasons your system is fucked you could cross the finish line without addressing it at all.