This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
just to be clear, for fear we mentally normalize this
to accept that another person has one sided authority to determine what you can and can't do with a tool, after it is in your possession is weird.
I truly hope this leads to the collapse of Chrome's sheer market dominance. Fuck Google.
If every single person that uses adblock decided to move to Firefox because of MV3, it wouldn't make a single dent in Chromium's dominance. We vastly overstate the amount of people that even know what an adblocker is.
Nah it would make a big dent for sure.
Firefox has ~180 million users
Amount of users using adblockers is ~900 million.
It would massively change the market.
Numbers according to mozilla and statista
That's true. 2 years ago, I come by my friend's house for a drink, and his kid is watching cartoons on YT. My friend's been a gamer for +20 years. Spent most of his life around PC. All of a sudden, I hear ads.
What's that? What? What's with the ads? Oh that, that's YT.
I know it is, but what's with the ads? Well, they have ads. I know they do, but why do you have them...
Installed adblocker for him, he's looking at it in shock. I'm looking at him shocked...
People have no idea, what we take for granted. 😅
Yes I agree. If you are using adblocker you are already not an average user. Using A adblocker with custom filters put you on the extreme end and most of those users are either already on FF or have migrated to FF since the MV3 announcement.
And let's not forget adblock made for MV3 will work well enough for those users who aren't using adblocker with custom filters.
Even if Google kill off adblock completely with its browser, chrome will still be dominating the market by a huge margin.
If the chrome market share significantly degrades then google will stop pumping so much money into it.
And considering basically everyone but Firefox (and maybe Safari?) are based on Chromium to some degree...
And considering basically everyone but Firefox (and maybe Safari?) are based on Chromium to some degree…
Opera Browser (before it was sold to a Chinese company) did have its own browser engine before it went Chromium. It was called Presto. source. The team that used to own/run Opera before the sale to China formed again to make the Vivaldi browser.
Vivaldi and Brave will continue to support Manifest V2 addons (like uBlock Origin) until July 2025. The article doesn't say how long Opera will continue, but I'm guessing its the same deadline of July too.
Presto era Opera was fantastic. At the time Firefox was kinda stagnating and Opera was just innovating.
Safari is WebKit, which branched off from Chrome when Google forked WebKit into Blink. So they’re like siblings.
Technically, Chrome branched off from Safari when they forked WebKit into Blink....
good. a massive shakeup like that would be great
Opera, being owned by Chinese big tech is probably the only "mainstream" browser I find worse than Chrome and I doubt it will have any measurable effect on Googles market dominance. Don't get me wrong Google would absolutely deserve to trip and fall for the enshittification route they're taking, but I don't see how Opera could do what Firefox can't when Opera is very reliant on Google.
A reminder that Opera is owned by a Chinese public company. I wouldn't trust the browser for privacy reasons.
Not even just that, they also have a history with making loan apps with predatory rates. I wouldnt trust them even if I was a member of CCP.
s/owned by a Chinese public company/proprietary/
Although another problem is that it doesn't bring anything new to the table. Yet another chromium browser with built-in proxies and data collection 🤷
Opera is not a trustworthy browser and there has been no point in it existing since they stopped using presto.
~Why is that? Any extra resources on it not being trustworthy?~
Nevermind, I just read other comments below :)
They explain nothing. They're in the same boat as all others: open source will let them keep MV2 longer than mainstream chrome, but that future is uncertain as the main project codebase starts to evolve around MV3 and backward compatibility to hack MV2 back in gets lost over time. Nobody here can make promises, and sites that make that make those judgments are naive.
Just use Firefox and its variants for more privacy. Done. Chromium is a dead road. Even with ungoogled chromium , brave , etc you have to trust the maintainers and their compiled version.
If you're still using Chrome it's a you problem.
Firefox + ublock origin + SponsorBlock for youtube is great. Works on mobile too!
It works on Android, but I don't believe it works on iOS.
To add to this- playback also continues with the screen off too. So ya, ff mobile with those extensions is basically yt premium XD
firefox doesn't support HDR
😱
I've been using a chromebook for the last 4 years and it's been great for my needs (youtube, streaming, porn, etc), but I am shopping for a windows machine now because fuck google.
I'm not too familiar with chrome books, i know some of them are insanely locked down to prevent this.. but see if theres a linux distro compatible with your chromebook, and if its possible to slap a linux install on it.
save you having to buy a new machine, possibly.
Opera browser? The one that everyone was making a stink about a few years ago? The one owned directly by a Chinese based company, and was supposedly sending telemetry to China?
Plus the whole exploiting poor people thing: https://www.engadget.com/2020-01-19-opera-accused-of-predatory-loan-apps.html?guccounter=1
A better title: Opera explains shit on how it plans to keep uBlock Origin support. Will talk to developers so see if anyone has a good ideas.
You won't get me off adblock, as of recently i've come to find we get significantly more ads compared to friends and family.
My dad plays wordfeud, so i install and play a set with him...about 5 seconds in i get frustrated at the 4th ad and my dad goes: "which ads".
My friends keep telling me i'm taking the youtube ads far too serious as they are only 10 seconds and show it to me too.
My youtube ads are 1 minute unskippable blocks before and after 1m 51s videos. I'll get a 1min ad block halfway into a 5 minute video even though youtube themselves claim they don't do that.
How the fuck am i so fucked when it comes to ads, my dads phone is almost completely ad free. Heck the google top suggestions that are basically paid for ads don't even show up on his phone.
He can play those free apps (advertisement feeding software) without getting any ads and he's adamant his phone isn't modified.
I wager your dad has a subscription or something he doesnt want to admit.
It's with all those silly free apps tho, sometimes i'll go there and have some fun game which he installs on the spot...no ads.
So it can't be with the apps itself.
Heck i've burned myself on a couple of those games where i would go: "i've played for weeks, might as well buy out the ads and save myself the headache" and it will still have ads, for power ups or some other similar things.
The other day I got to pondering whether people who work for ad serving companies have ad blockers on their work computers.
I used to work for an ad heavy mobile game and ad serving company couple of years ago, and I had ad blocking at dns level in my house. It blocks not only ads, but also most tracking and telemetry. My bosses wanted to know why my devices were not displaying ads or dialing back to home, they were pretty fucking puzzled. They were terrified others like me were around. Basically their entire business model depends of people not knowing how to block ads and telemetry
It seems that many people here are not aware of how much Mozilla depends on Google, so switching to them is a small consolation. Maybe it's time to support the development of new engines like Servo and Ladybird more. Servo even recently released an Android version (currently not very usable, but I downloaded it just to show support).
serious question: how does opera (the company) make money?
originally? a paid product. now? crypto!
Partner integrations from what I know - search engines, bookmarks and so on.
