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Opera explains how it plans to keep uBlock Origin support as Google Chrome disables it (www.neowin.net)
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[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 28 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

If the chrome market share significantly degrades then google will stop pumping so much money into it.

And considering basically everyone but Firefox (and maybe Safari?) are based on Chromium to some degree...

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

And considering basically everyone but Firefox (and maybe Safari?) are based on Chromium to some degree…

Opera Browser (before it was sold to a Chinese company) did have its own browser engine before it went Chromium. It was called Presto. source. The team that used to own/run Opera before the sale to China formed again to make the Vivaldi browser.

Vivaldi and Brave will continue to support Manifest V2 addons (like uBlock Origin) until July 2025. The article doesn't say how long Opera will continue, but I'm guessing its the same deadline of July too.

[–] cfi@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Presto era Opera was fantastic. At the time Firefox was kinda stagnating and Opera was just innovating.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

You might like Vivaldi, they're the most innovative chromium derived browser that I've used

[–] original_reader@lemm.ee 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I love Vivaldi. Am sad it's Chromium. Wish Firefox would take a page out of Vivaldi's features book and innovation approach.

[–] SeikoAlpinist 1 points 3 weeks ago

Zen browser does that.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

So... basically everyone but Firefox (and maybe Safari?) are based on Chromium to some degree?

Because if there is not massive amounts of money and resources pumped into Chromium development? Vivaldi and Brave will be up a creek

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

So… basically everyone but Firefox (and maybe Safari?) are based on Chromium to some degree?

Yes.

Because if there is not massive amounts of money and resources pumped into Chromium development? Vivaldi and Brave will be up a creek

Well, the browser will function just fine with Manifest V2 support removed in July 2025, but lots of addons will no longer work.

[–] qprimed@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 weeks ago

without addons to control internet crazy, that word "function" is doing some heavy lifting.

[–] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. Which was not the topic being discussed.

The idea was that Google Chrome would lose a significant market share because of this. And, on the off chance that somehow happens, that is basically a death sentence for all the browsers dependent on Chromium.

[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

Yes. Which was not the topic being discussed.

The idea was that Google Chrome would lose a significant market share because of this. And, on the off chance that somehow happens, that is basically a death sentence for all the browsers dependent on Chromium.

Hmm, okay if thats the only thing you're willing to discuss, I'll respond directly to that then.

The idea that Google is going to have significant market share loss from removing V2 manifest support is laughable. This is especially true if you're saying the market share for Chromium will decline specifically for uBlock Origin no longer working. As of right now there are:

  • only 40 million users of uBlock Origin on Chromium browsers source
  • over 5.52 billion people using the internet as of this month. source

So if 100% of uBlock Origin users stopped using Chromium browsers because of lack of uBlock Origin that would only represent a loss of .769%. Not even 1%.

Further, I'm betting Google would continue to keep development on Chromium going even with significant market share loss to some other browser. Google was around for the late 1990s and early 2000s when Microsoft absolutely dominated the web browser market and had the ability to literally change the specifications of the web on a whim and locking out non-Microsoft systems from the full web experience. A company Google's size (and business model) cannot be safe if a competitor can change the web standards for the web client (browser) that Google products run in.

I say all of this as a loving user of Firefox with uBlock Origin, that I'm posting this comment with right now. However, I'm realistic about the situation as it exists today.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 1 points 3 weeks ago

So… basically everyone but Firefox (and maybe Safari?) are based on Chromium to some degree?

Technically Chromium is based on Safari to some degree, but they split ways a long, long time ago.

Ladybird is eventually going to be a brand new browser on its' own engine, hopefully.

Servo is being worked on again, so that's something.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Safari is WebKit, which branched off from Chrome when Google forked WebKit into Blink. So they’re like siblings.

[–] stoy@lemmy.zip 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Technically, Chrome branched off from Safari when they forked WebKit into Blink....

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 8 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah the way I phrased it was super awkward

[–] grubbyweasel@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 weeks ago

good. a massive shakeup like that would be great