So this means the fighting will stop now, right?
...right?
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Well, Israeli war aims included diminishing Hamas. But they also included returning any hostages who are still alive. So I think the fighting will continue at least in the short term.
perpetually missing hostages that will never be confirmed alive or dead?
I mean, that's kind of on Hamas, no?
No, that's on israel that actually does not care about the hostages and intentionally torpedoed all negotiations and even killed some of them themselves.
hamas doesn't know if they're alive or dead either, considering their command structure is dead
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It's impossible to stop now. There's no leader for Israel to negotiate a ceasefire with, so they're just going to have to keep doing the lord's work until there's nobody left to slaughter.
I just don't see this changing anything.
He was particularly hostile to peace with Israel (and Israel was particularly hostile to peace with him). Furthermore (according to my understanding) Hamas doesn't have much formal structure; it isn't like the USA where the government is ready to accept the vice president as the leader if the president dies. I assume that Sinwar prepared a successor, but there's still probably no one who knows all the same things and has the loyalty of all the same people.
Israel has already moved on to Lebanon. This is a forever war. That's what Netanyahu wants. His best friend has been trying to tell the world about it.
He also wrote that Netanyahu will pay any price at the expense of the public in Israel, provided that his rule does not fall "and therefore, to the horror of it, there is no chance that the war will end in the foreseeable future. Neither voluntarily nor according to logic. Its continuation forever is the only barrier that will prevent his personal catastrophe.
Yep, the ongoing war is delaying a corruption trial against Bibi where I think he could be sentenced to up to 30 years in prison, so he's going to keep this war going forever if he can
Israel is not the USA. It doesn't have the economy to support a forever war, even with US help. Most of its soldiers are reservists who need to go back to their jobs sooner rather than later.
Please read the article I pasted the link to.
I'm not a fan of Netanyahu but that article isn't a hard-headed political analysis. Even Netanyahu is constrained by physical reality; he might not have a realistic plan for peace, but that doesn't mean he can continue war indefinitely.
He will try. That's the point.
I doubt any war could literally never end.
You don't think that whoever survives the horror they just have been through on Gaza will eventually replace them?
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They need to take out the real terrorist, Bibi
Things are going to have to get a lot worse for the IDF before they would take out their own leader.
I think it makes it a bit more difficult to escalate and therefore help elect Trump. For Bibi, Sinwar being at large is an unequivocal argument to keep on keeping on in Gaza. Now that he's gone, he'll have to use flimsier ones and whoever might push back, could push back harder.
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Nice. Hamas sux
Yeah but they were created because Israel sucked in the first place.
Many thing suck, same time.
Terrorist groups are more likely to form in bad social, political, and economic circumstances. Astute observation.
And Israel was created because the Jews got fucking slaughtered and driven from their homes in the world wars and didn't have anywhere safe that anyone wanted them.
And the US exists because the Europeans slaughtered the native Americans.
And England exists because they slaughtered the locals that were there before.
And modern China exists because they slaughtered the group before them.
Its almost like this is exactly how it's always worked.
Weird way to excuse a genocide but ok.
Edit: the fact that Jewish people went through a Holocaust, doesn't excuse them from creating another one.
Everybody gets to do one genocide, that's how it works, right?
Not many people could get a bullseye with 40,000 darts and a year to use them. Fairplay to Israel for their precision on this one.
During a routine patrol by the IDF, the soldiers encountered three armed men. They exchanged fire and killed them. Israeli officials said the incident was coincidental and not based on intelligence.
Yeah I don't think Bibi wanted him dead yet. At least not before the American election. His path to electing Trump is through escalation. Sinwar's death was immediately used by states to demand de-escalation.
Great, now how many innocent civilians were part of the collateral damage?
In this particular engagement, zero. Did you think you had something there?
Good news is rare. I hope this was the result of better intelligence on the whereabouts of the Hamas leadership rather than luck.
I pasted this in response to the wrong comment, so here it is again for you:
During a routine patrol by the IDF, the soldiers encountered three armed men. They exchanged fire and killed them. Israeli officials said the incident was coincidental and not based on intelligence.
They wouldn't exactly admit a source and compromise further operations. They probably had at least an idea of where he might be.
OBL hid in a personal mansion for 10 years only 100 miles away from Pakistan Military Academy
Mullah Omar hid in a tunnel only 3 miles away from Base Wolverine lol.
I think it was probably a bit of both. They knew he was in the north, but not much more. I presume their intel gathering fell apart after the infrastructure collapsed.
He was just walking around on the surface? Why?
Edit: Kyrgizion makes a good point.
They wouldn’t exactly admit a source and compromise further operations. They probably had at least an idea of where he might be.
If you kill everyone in Gaza, you'll eventually kill the right person.
Human shields can only get you so far
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