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[–] halykthered@lemmy.ml 158 points 1 month ago (2 children)
[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I appreciate the skittles reference

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Is it a skittles reference or is it a reference to purple not being an actual color and thus not a part of the rainbow?

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

the heck do you mean purple is not an actual colour??

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Purple, the color directly between red and blue, is a creation of your mind interpreting a band of light that triggers your red and blue sensing nerves, but no green is sensed. The actual band of light we can see goes from red to green to blue. Purple doesn't fall between those colors, meaning it wouldn't be included in a rainbow, and isn't any "pure" light you could see, since it doesn't fall on the spectrum.

Essentially, any time you see purple, you're seeing two different frequencies of light that your mind interprets as a single frequency.

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 18 points 1 month ago (5 children)

What is violet at the end of the visible spectrum, then? We call the higher wavelength stuff ultraviolet, and violet looks purple to me, so I'm having trouble reconciling this stuff with what you're saying.

[–] general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

We call it that but our eyes see the far end frequency as a colour that only very slightly activates blue sensitive cone receptors and no others. For red sensitive cones there is a slight bump in the high end frequencies also that makes it possible for them to look violet as it activates the blue sensitive and a bit of red sensitive receptors but a much purpler purple is made by combining high and low frequencies.

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Normalized-spectral-sensitivity-of-retinal-rod-and-cone-cells_fig7_265155524

[–] AEsheron@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

There is evidence to show that violet does actually weakly activates red cones too. This is because the violet light starts creeping up to double the frequency of the lower end of the red sensitivity, and so it can actually successfully activate it very weakly. There are other factors that can lessen or even fully negate that effect though, it's all kind of fuzzy.

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[–] JayDee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Would this not disqualify any mixed color? We only have receptors for three colors, and if we're arguing that purple isn't a color because it's actually two mixed together, that should also mean colors like orange, yellow, cyan, magenta, atc are also not colors by that definition right?

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

ah a similar explanation to why yellow is not an actual colour either

the silly explanation that has no effect on how we perceive, use, or think about colour. sigh why are the people responsible for those studies calling those colours not real? Why not just colours resulting from mixing other colours like the artists have done since the invention of paint?

[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sorry for the confusion. Yellow is a single wavelength of light. We perceive it with the green and red receptors in our eyes, but it is a single wavelength. Purple isn't a single wavelength, but two that are being interpreted as a color.

That was the distinction I was calling out.

[–] shneancy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

and that is why i didn't say the same explanation, but similar

both, in my opinion, suffer from the clickbait disease "YOU CAN'T SEE YELLOW 😱" (directly, because to see it you use two light receptors combined) "PURPLE DOESN'T EXIST 😱" (as a single wavelength colour because as opposed to the other colours of the rainbow it uses a combination of red and blue wavelengths)

i don't blame you for either of course, i'm just expressing my general annoyance with the phrasing of both science facts

[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 month ago

This is 100% incorrect. Not in terms of science, but in terms of a qualifier of what a colour is. Just because a colour doesn't exist on the rainbow spectrum, doesn't mean it's not an "actual colour".

What you're referring to is the definition of colour specifically by physics. There are other professional fields and areas of science that use different qualifiers for colour. I work with color everyday and I can with certainty say that purple, pink, rust, teal, and sky blue are all colours.

Kind of like how different fields have different definitions of entropy or different cultures have different names for snow. It's all dependent on the framework you use and ignoring every other framework is wrong.

[–] essteeyou@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Your definition of color is based only on human perception? Is purple a color for a mantis shrimp?

Edit: I guess not in a pure sense because it's still two wavelengths of light. Perhaps a mantis shrimp can detect a totally different wavelength and sees it as "purple" or something.

Now I'm thinking about how we don't know how other humans interpret colors. Like what I see as red, you may see as blue. Ugh.

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[–] riquisimo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 month ago

Don't let them pee on your Cheerios. Purple is a color, just like magenta, pink, cyan, brown, and all the other "not in the rainbow/ROYGBIV" colors.

Gatekeeping colors, I tell ya. Don't let 'em get you burnt sienna with rage.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I believe it’s indigo not purple there.

[–] deo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

Correct. Initially, Newton didn't have indigo in his list for the visible spectrum, but he wanted seven colors instead of six because it matched up with the number of notes in music (and because he liked the number). So at some point there was discussion of removing indigo entirely because it's kinda just a shade between blue and violet that the human eye just isn't as good at distinguishing compared to the other colors. But the neat thing is that what people back in Newton's time called blue and indigo is more akin to what we today call cyan and blue (they know this by looking at his labeled drawings of the light scattered by prisims). Now the spectral colors are: red, orange, yellow, green, cyan, blue, and violet.

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[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 79 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's because the scientific definition of berries has little in common with the colloquial one. That doesn't make either wrong, they are just used in different contexts

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 37 points 1 month ago (4 children)

We really should rename botanical berries to something else.

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[–] Nougat@fedia.io 18 points 1 month ago

Botanical vs culinary.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 78 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

This feels like a case where botanical science should just have picked a different name. If you invalidate everything people think of as a berry and then tell them a dozen things that are clearly not berries are, in fact, berries, you're just making the word berry meaningless.

Berry means a tiny, usually sweet, fruit-like growth from a plant. The kind that is usually picked in bunches. The kind that you use to make smoothies. That's a berry.

Botany did us all a disservice by choosing the word "berry" to mean "a specific thing which invalidates everything you think is a berry." Just call that plant structure something in Latin, ffs.

[–] JayObey711@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Well, cooking terms and botany terms are not the same. Any non reproductive part of a plant is vegetable. But in cooking we have a completely different idea of what vegetables are.

This really doesn't matter because most people are not botanists and those who are probably know the terms. The only people that care are quirky internet people with debates about weather or not potato salad should be considered a cake or something.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago

"Weather" is a nice ultimate touch

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

They did. It's Baca. Which means berry. Or maybe cow. Naming stuff is hard

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[–] TotalFat@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sometimes you feel like a peanut is not a nut!

Sometimes you don't!

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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

A berry is a watery, often sweet fruit under 4cm

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (4 children)

That is the colloquial definition. The scientific definition of a berry differs a bit.

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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Ah! A person of rare and refined taste!

[–] Muscle_Meteor@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] vale@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

wait until you hear about vegetables

[–] ByteOnBikes 3 points 1 month ago

Just happened last week.

Me: "I don't even want to get started about vegetables. We'll go into it for hours."

Them: "Wait what?"

(Proceeds to go into a long conversation for hours)

[–] TheAmishMan@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Pumpkin pie also rarely is made with pumpkin, it's usually squash

[–] toast@retrolemmy.com 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Pumpkin pie is always made with squash. Occasionally, those squash are pumpkins

[–] sconniecrow@midwest.social 19 points 1 month ago

Pumpkin is a squash

[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Having made pumpkin pies for decades, this is true. Pumpkin is a squash.

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[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago (10 children)
[–] FierySpectre@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Botanically speaking they are correct.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

With great effort, I imagine. A pumpkin is also a squash.

Pumpkins are cool

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