Being forced to relocate like that should constitute a contract renegotiation and these folks should get severance and unemployment.
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They can deff get unemployment as this is a constructive dismissal but severance in most states is purely regulated by contract.
My job just moved to the headquarters, so I quit. The company did indeed offer $20,000 to move me and, if not, 2-months severance and benefits, with my PTO used first and paid in full. Also, the contract stated there would be no issue with me filing for unemployment after severance is over. That's how it should be done.
I can't blame them in my case. Since a large chunk of my duties involved shipping and troubleshooting hardware, it makes sense to have someone available to come in once or twice a week.
Anybody got any remote IT positions? I can send a resume. If you DM me, I'll not likely see it. Reply here and I'll get with you.
I'm curious what setup you have that allows you to see replies but not DMs
App notifications probably.
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Not sure of US law, but in Canada something like this would be considered Constructive Dismissal, so you resign and they legally owe you termination pay and severence pay based on position amd years served
In US law, workers can generally be terminated for "any reason or no reason."
Yes, but this isn't termination, it's making working so intolerable that you quit.
But it varies by state. There's no federal law about it. https://www.findlaw.com/employment/losing-a-job/constructive-dismissal-and-wrongful-termination.html
what contract? renegotiate?
you must not be American
I was born one but it's true that I leveled up to Canadian!
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It’s constructive dismissal, and they can 100% file for unemployment even though they “resigned”. Basically, Walmart is laying them off of their old WFH position, and is offering them a new in-office position. And if the new position isn’t on-par with what they were already doing, they aren’t required to accept it. They can refuse the worse job offer and file for unemployment (because they were laid off of their old job) instead.
To be clear: Walmart will 100% contest their unemployment claim. But if the worker appeals and provides proof of the constructive dismissal, they’ll win and get unemployment back paid to when they first filed. If your employer ever drastically and negatively changes your job description (like cutting your hours, cutting your pay, suddenly requiring in-office, etc,) you should be in the unemployment line to file that same day.
Being forced to move to that trash state should be a crime
Anyone with a brain avoids the Deep South when they can
They can't even write the state's name how it's pronounced
Sad thing is the Bentonville area is rather nice. Because the Walton kids have dumped a bunch of money into it. Whole state could be just as nice if Arkansas would tax those assholes effectively.
Shh let them think it's trash. We don't need anyone else.
lol I've only visited on business trips. Seemed nice. Have heard like everywhere people are now getting priced out.
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I have been seeing Walmart trying to recruit high end professionals to relocate to their HQ in Bentonville... why would anyone do such a thing?
You can live in a major city where if you lose or don't like your job, you get another one for more money. OR
Live in a company town where you can get a good job from the company. Do these execs and clown HR really think anyone would go for this idiotic deal lol
⚠️Trade offer⚠️
Ex took my kids to Arkansas, my mom lived there and I used to live next door in Tulsa. I have very little issue living here in the Deep South, but I would not move to Arkansas.
Funny note: The 01/06 insurrectionist with his feet on Pelosi's desk? That was mom's neighbor. The mayor was on TV saying he didn't want people thinking they were all racist assholes like Bigo. LOL NO! My mom was a hardcore racist and even she hated the guy.
To be fair Gravette is a massive shit hole. There's better areas around there.
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Fuck walmart.
Stop shopping there if you can, people.
I never really shopped there. Its cheap and dirty. I always felt like I needed a shower afterwards.
Agreed. Walmart makes my soul feel dirty too.
I stopped shopping there about 10 years ago. My wife occasionally argues that we should go there and I have to launch into my tirade again about what an evil company they are. That's not even considering how everything they sell is absolute shit. Not a single thing in the store is what it masquerades as on the slightly altered label.
Been fighting this fight for a while. It's like everyone I've ever said something to in real life doesn't understand. It's nice to know I'm not the only one. Lol
Some people don't have a choice. When we were really poor, we shopped there even though I hated it, because we literally couldn't afford to shop anywhere else. But as soon as I started making better money I completely boycotted them. Other people are just really apathetic to anything that doesn't directly impact them in the immediate present. And then of course there are plenty of less than intelligent people who just don't get it, like you said.
I try to be understanding for those people, and I was also one of those people at one point. I also didn't know any better when I was younger.
Why does leadership at Walmart hate productive employees and the environment so much?
They cost to much. We saw it a year ago they'll let these position become vacant then hire for much less. They knew by doing this it would happen.
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Worth noting that employees forced into similar situations should file for unemployment even though they resigned. It’s called constructive dismissal, which is basically when the company restructures your job and drastically changes it in some way. Like, for instance, changing your position from WFH to in-office, or cutting you from full time to part time.
From a legal standpoint, it is the same as them laying you off from your old job and offering you a new one with a modified job description. But if the new job position isn’t on par with what you were already doing, you don’t have to accept it and can file for unemployment instead.
“Some employees who have been ordered to relocate are even considering resigning.“
Shows you what side the media is on.
If my employer asked me to literally abandon the home and life i have build to move to some backwater where they cant find enough employees. I am responding with a wrongful termination lawsuit because a demand so outrageous can only be an attempt to bully me in resignation. I refuse to believe anyone considers such reasonable if at all a demand made with human dignity and respect, which it does not.
I work to maintain my life, i am not living to maintain a business that would fire me on a whim if they so please. Like what the fuck are they thinking.
Industry average these days is ~25-50% turnover when it's just a return to office mandate. As in, no relocation, just adding a daily commute.
Relocation has always been 99% turnover. Very few people are ever willing to spend not only their lives, but those of their family, just for a job.
This isn't really any different than Tesla or Disney moving offices that were in the news recently. It's a mildly disguised layoff, and they will hire new (probably fewer) staff at the new office.
Yeah well, didn't it come out long time already that the company who does this just wants you to quit, so they don't have to fire you. Another exploitation of workers.
They talk to like the one dude happy about the relocation. What about everyone else who doesn’t want to live in fucking Arkansas.
As a woman, you couldn’t pay me enough to live in a red state these days.
Walmart has also lowered pay for regular employees by $5 or more depending on location
Yeah, more layoffs dressed up as RTO.
Forcing workers to relocate is just a way of laying them off by making them quit
It's called constructive dismissal. They're not technically firing anyone, but they are trying to make the work conditions unfavorable so that people quit. Many places will allow you to get unemployment, and often also severance pay, if you can show that this is what's happening.
RTO = cheap layoff
GET SLAMMED!
You can't collect unemployment benefits if you resign. Make them fire you.
Constructive dismissal often still allows collecting unemployment. Possibly even severance in some places.
tell me you want to do layoffs without laying anyone off. Round two will be layoffs if not enough quit.
Employees were required to notify Walmart by July 1st of their intention to relocate, with the move scheduled to be completed by October 31st.
Awesome. So if I can't find a decent place to live, I have the additional headache of having to stay in a hotel or something while I search.
Additionally, the employee mentioned receiving a $10,000 credit to cover potential costs associated with selling their home, although they plan to retain ownership and rent the property instead.
This is why no one can afford housing you greedy piece of shit.
What's the point of physically relocating REMOTE workers?
You've got other companies with remote workers on a different continent, and Walmart can't handle people a few cities or states over?
How is resigning only a consideration when one of the world's worst companies tells you that you need to move to Arkansas to keep your job? The only answer should be:
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