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[–] Awkwardly_Frank@lemmy.world 81 points 3 months ago (2 children)

His appeal is the same appeal that takes each of us in at some point; he offers easy answers to complicated problems. It's tempting to believe that only the profoundly stupid will fall for this, but when a problem is outside your knowledge or experience and someone confidently announces they have a solution its pretty easy to let yourself stop thinking any further.

Also, there are a ton of racists and xenophobes out there who already believe they have the easy answers and like the confirmation of having them parroted back at them.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)

His appeal is the same appeal that takes each of us in at some point; he offers easy answers to complicated problems.

This is the key. And yes we've all been there. But, normally you grow out of it once you pass teenage angst and college year insecurities.

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yup, usually education helps the process. Which is why college is considered liberal hell by conservatives.

And why the college-educated republicans are typically even worse than non-college-educated republicans - because it takes a particularly hard-headed person to get through college, acquire specialized knowledge in a marketable field, and somehow also manage to blind yourself to acclimating to complex problems, other cultures, and hold onto your elementary school ideologies.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Money vodka and drugs helps with that

[–] Awkwardly_Frank@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

You'd think so,but education and experience doesn't really get rid of the underlying tendency so much as it inoculates you to it in specific areas of experience/expertise. Plenty of experts in their own field will look at a screw-up in another field they're not familiar with and exclaim "just do/don't do x, y,or z." That's why it's such an insidious tendency, insight really only let's you see how complicated certain things are while leaving the shroud of your own ignorance around everything else.

Think of a clerk having trouble with the register when you're in a hurry to get home. You're likely to think to yourself "come on! It's your one job and it's not that hard. But if you're made to stop and think about it you realize there's a whole litany of functions to remember for the different scenarios that come up, an encyclopedia of produce numbers to remember, company policies to be observed,and all sorts of smaller jobs to be done.

This isn't to say that people willing to hurt others for an easy solution to their problems have an excuse. This is just to say that we would do well to remember that everyone is susceptible to the urge to oversimplify.

Edit: spelling

[–] BarbecueCowboy@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Definitely a major contributor, but it's not just that. Trump is angry and that's appealing because we're all kinda angry too. A lot of us know that that anger is pointless right now and can only be used to make things worse, but it's still kind of a good feeling to see that reflected in someone in a position of power. If Biden had half that intensity, he'd have this in the bag and we wouldn't be talking about any of the other recent problems.

[–] Awkwardly_Frank@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

You raise a good point. The bias towards action, real or perceived, and the catharsis of self-righteous anger are both strong motivators at work in the political realm. We'd all do well to guard ourselves against those wishing to exploit them.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 40 points 3 months ago (2 children)

It tested really well with some key demographics.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Dammit I want my taco trucks on every corner.

Man. Fascism sucks.

[–] skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

You joke but check out Century of the Self

[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Remember that feeling when, as a little kid, your parents said that you could eat all the candy you wanted, with no limits at all, and you were too fucking stupid to realize how bad that was for you? It's like that.

[–] NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

It's like that but it also seems like the kids are determined not to learn anything new.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 months ago

It's like that but the see the schoolyard bully picking on all the gay, colored, and/or fat kids, and want to join in.

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

And they are 60 years old

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago

Pretty much sums up the Boomers

[–] krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 months ago

I'm really sorry your parents did that to you.

[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Another big part is that he let's you believe your failures aren't your fault. Someone else sabotaged you, so you don't have to commit the hard work of fixing yourself.

[–] en1gma@lemmy.ml -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Gaslighting 😱

[–] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That and a media echo chamber of lies.

[–] jballs@sh.itjust.works 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Turns out brainwashing people and telling them it's "news" is a really effective strategy.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

Who knew??

Besides Göebbels and Murdoch. And Bernays.

[–] JimSamtanko@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

bUt BiDeN oLd!

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah. Yeah he is.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Where's his appeal, and what's it about? All I see are the Jack Smith related things when I look.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world -4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I think liking Trump must be like people who are into BDSM (I realize not everyone shares my opinion here), where it seems to be that you actually need therapy but instead decide to deliberately have someone hurt you all the time instead as a form of passive self injury.

[–] davidagain@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm not so sure that they realise that he's only in it for himself or that he made it so much worse not just for ordinary Americans, but specifically for people who supported him. I mean, I know he thinks they're losers for getting caught on insurrection day but I don't think they realise how much he looks down on them and how much deep contempt he has for them. The people who followed his advice about covid lost loved ones and gave their lives for what? Sticking it to the libs? But when he got covid, it was straight to the science and medicine and none of the horse dewormer crap that he was peddling to his supporters.

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I realize not everyone shares my opinion here

Your opinion is just wrong.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago

Sure. Nobody could possibly be hurting themselves through BDSM. https://m.startribune.com/heather-mayer-death-bdsm-mother-find-justice-twin-cities/600273507/?clmob=y&c=n

[+] Organichedgehog@lemmy.world -19 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Lol this is so stupid. His "appeal" is ignorance, racism and misogyny? jesus christ

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Okay, then what’s his appeal? Being a conman? A rapist, a fraud, a habitual liar, unbelievably vain, a pedophile, a barely literate narcissist?

Being a traitor, a useful idiot, a seditionist coup-plotter, an election stealer (failed)?

[–] Wes4Humanity@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

His appeal is the same as Bernie's was. While most oligarchy controlled politicians refuse to recognize how shitty things are, Bernie and Trump got up and said what everyone who lives in the real world knows to be true: shit's fucked up. The difference was that Bernie recognized it's the oligarchy (including Trump, even though he's kinda his own oligarchy) that's fucking things up, while Trump just let the racists and misogynists and bigots choose whoever they wanted to blame and agreed with them. After all, he couldn't point the finger at himself (probably literally, since he's a narcissist his brain won't let him).

Basically he recognizes that their lives are shit, and gives them license to openly blame whoever they want to blame. Thanks to decades of Republican bullshit, they tend to want to blame anyone who's not a white Christian.

[+] Organichedgehog@lemmy.world -17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Do you guys not know what "appeal" means?? He is all of those things at his core, but do you think 50% of voters are like "I LOVE THAT HES RACIST!! I LOVE THAT HE LIES ALL THE TIME". Your viewpoint is ignorant and dangerous.

[–] hemmes@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Lol, then what are they saying?

We know they aren't literally saying those words, but that's because they do not think they are racist.

They think it's okay to discriminate against someone because of their skin color or nationality. It's their right.

They think it's alright to impose their beliefs on others without middle ground. It's my god's word.

They think there's nothing wrong with a little sexual abuse and misconduct. Happens all the time, get over it.

They think those things, and they are of course wrong. So while they don't use the words you describe in your comment, in actuality, that is indeed what they are saying.

[+] Organichedgehog@lemmy.world -6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Even if everything you said is true - that's still not his appeal to his base. Those are things that they are comfortable writing off due to his actual appeal. His actual appeal is something that you and most commenters on reddit would never verbalize because you'd rather stick to your simplistic worldview that every single trump voter is a racist, misogynist, etc.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So whyn’cha hip us to his magical appeal then. We’re all waiting.

[+] Organichedgehog@lemmy.world -10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Feel free to Google "what do people like about Donald Trump". Nothing I say will change your mind about half the country being racist misogynists and nothing more. Just living villainous caricatures.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

what do people like about Donald Trump

The Mass Psychology of Trumpism

To summarize the first search result, the answer is christo-fascism. Trump has used Christianity to make Americans swallow fascism. A lot of them are also racists and misogynists.

[–] Organichedgehog@lemmy.world -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Christianity, for sure. But maybe if you're trying to actually find out what people like about Donald Trump, every single one of your sources being "people who hate Donald Trump" isn't the smartest approach.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I put in the exact google search you suggested. So why are you directing this criticism at me?

[–] Organichedgehog@lemmy.world 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

You're going to ignore my very reasonable response in favor of "WELL I COULD ONLY CLICK ON THE FIRST RESULT GOOGLE GAVE ME". You're unwilling to take your head outta the sand, and I'm unwilling to make any more good-faith arguments to obstinate, willfully ignorant people. Have a good one.

[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 3 months ago

I have been googling since before Jan 6th thanks. I am aware that the christo-fascist takeover is on the horizon. Either list a specific source to back up what you are saying or knock it off with the backhanded good faith nonsense. The vast majority of people who vote for Trump have been lied to by the right-wing infosphere. But millions of the voters are racists and misogynists who have bought into the white replacement conspiracy theory.

https://www.vox.com/2018/8/10/17670992/study-white-americans-alt-right-racism-white-nationalists

I was able to find a source that backed up my argument, that Trump's support stems from a christo-fascist movement, with the first result of your recommend google search.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

I’m not saying they don’t care about things. I’m saying they’re deliberately and in the face of plain, factual evidence, supporting a rapist who attempted a coup of the United States.

Does that make them racists and misogynists? I guess it depends if supporting racism and misogyny makes one those things.

But the racism and misogyny are anchors to what, for lack of a better expression, is trumps “appeal”. If they can’t see that, they’re either refusing to see it or are genuinely stupid, or are wildly misinformed.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Because that's what he IS.

[–] Organichedgehog@lemmy.world -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I agree. But that's not what his appeal is.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Anything he does is that. Because that's what he is. You cannot distance his nature from his actions. They are the same.

Unless you're like, "well, Chris Brown beats women, but he's a good singer, so I'll continue to listen his words (which fund him)."

And to those people, I say "fuck you, too".

[–] bastion@feddit.nl 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Oh, you actually see it.

There's an energy niche. More than one, really.

It's rather like a collective emotional complex. It's like Christians and the devil. They're not getting rid of that guy, he's a natural consequence of the underlying concepts Christianity is based on. But ask a Christian, and they'll tell you the devil is the bad guy, and they'll have no part with him. Similarly, the left can't even imagine that the right's behavior is at all tied to them, while they feed it constantly.

One aspect of it is that if some people get lumped in with the devil, that becomes the concept they trust. If the left ignores and demonizes the right all the time, eventually they'll go for the guy that's effectively the bad guy, just because he gives some voice to their issues and occasionally punches the guy that's been fucking with them.

But that's just one aspect of his energy niche. Again, it's a lot like an emotional complex - and until the underlying needs are resolved, Trumo and those like him will not be going away.