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[–] OneLemmyMan@lemmy.world 587 points 1 year ago (18 children)

It's true that it's not always about the money, but it's probably never about a ping pong table

[–] pain_is_life_is_pain@sh.itjust.works 193 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Well, hypothetical speaking, if there were two completely absolutely identical jobs, but the one had a ping pong table. I might choose the one without and ask them to get a Foosball table, since I'm no good at ping pong.

[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

It also depends on whether it's about a pingpong table in the office, or whether I get one for at home and we're talking a fully remote job.

Getting a free pingpong table isn't a bad bonus! I'd prefer a decent crokinole board though, tbh

[–] pain_is_life_is_pain@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's a bad bonus if you don't have space for a ping pong table. Speaking from experience, I got a free ping pong table for Christmas once...

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[–] IanM32@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most places that have HR like this work their employees too hard for them to have time to use a ping pong table anyway, so it's really just a hollow gesture.

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[–] Kichae@kbin.social 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Indeed.

It's telling that "basic dignity" or "managers who aren't dicks" didn't make the list.

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[–] saltesc@lemmy.world 216 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

As a professional in this field, top reasons would be...

  • Dissatisfaction with pay
  • Limited/No career progression
  • Dissatisfaction with environment/culture
  • Dissatisfaction with management
  • Poor work-life balance
  • Poor job design/expectations of role
  • Poor taining quality/knowledge management
  • Inadequate tools/systems

Edit: I should also point out we have about half a dozen ping-pong tables scattered around my work and our turnover figures were bang on average for annual benchmarking against the sector. I consider the average too high, though, and will be targeting better retention over this year. We'll need at least double the amount of ping-pong tables.

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 112 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I don't see pizza party or ping pong table on that list so you're obviously not a professional.

A real professional knows employees want pizza parties instead of higher pay and they want more responsibilities with the same pay!

:P

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[–] peto@lemm.ee 155 points 1 year ago (20 children)

There is a bit of truth here. Toxic culture and out of touch management will make people walk as well.

Thing is, there might just be a wad of cash big enough to make me put up with that against my health interests.

Fuck ping pong tables though. No one left a company because they didn't have enough fucking table sports. If you think they are then you are the problem. Exit interview your own fucking arse.

[–] dabadee@lemmy.world 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Around 2012 I had a interview with a recruiter, he asked me what kind of company you're looking for, and I replied, one without a ping pong table, he laughed at me, I am an immigrant, left home when I was 19, so around 2008 went around in my country and EU, and already understood that whenever a company had a ping pong table it had a shitty culture, so by the time of that interview I already seen more than enough shitty companies, but I remember that interview in particular because the guy started making fun of me, laughing at me

11 years after, I wish I could speak with that recruiter to see if he understood that ping pong tables are low efforts solutions adopted by shitty-environment companies and if he would laugh at me again

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[–] Hasherm0n@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

One of the best bosses I ever had once told me that people will stay for the culture but leave for money. His philosophy was to try and ensure that money was not a factor in people's decision, then build as good a culture as he could.

And to be clear, by making money not a factor, I mean he paid well.

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[–] dipshit@lemmy.world 136 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It’s true, most people don’t care about money.

They care about what money can help them buy, like another day of survival.

It was never about the money. It was about maslovs heirarchy of needs; which, at the very bottom, is a foosball table.

[–] myplacedk@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (7 children)

There's two kinds of money: Enough money, and more than enough money.

If you don't have enough money, that's all that matters. A nicer day at work means very little.

Once you have enough money, more money matters very little. Now it's about enjoying work etc.

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[–] PeckerBrown@lemmy.world 117 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's only been two reasons for me to quit a job: shitty pay and shitty people in charge.

Sounds like this company has both.

[–] rDrDr@lemmy.world 60 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sounds like you need a Ping Pong table.

[–] ShakyPerception@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AND additional responsibilities!

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[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 95 points 1 year ago (3 children)

None of these answers is correct, it's simply not a multiple choice question.

For some the pay is important, others need a bit of distraction like a ping pong table.

Everybody has their own needs, the biggest HR loser is the one that fits all employees in the same square.

[–] chakan2@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago (12 children)

others need a bit of distraction like a ping pong table.

That is never the answer. If your business isn't retaining people because the party culture isn't party enough...you've got way bigger problems...and it's probably leadership.

[–] Not_Alec_Baldwin@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As I get older I begin to realize that people love to work.

However people hate being treated like shit.

Treating people like shit or building an environment that supports shitty behavior poisons the well and will absolutely make people leave, even for a pay cut.

If you just respect people and properly value them and their contributions to your organization, you'll never have trouble keeping them.

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[–] eleefece@kbin.social 83 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A ping pong table? What for? So HR can punish you when you use it?

[–] kurosawaa@programming.dev 64 points 1 year ago (23 children)

seriously,who has time to use a ping pong table at work? It's like a decoration to remind you you're not having fun.

[–] shyguyblue@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

You can only enjoy the perks during your 45 minute lunch break. Food or fun, your choice ..

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, the main reason Ive changed jobs is money. Nobody gives raises like new bosses.

[–] Sharkwellington@lemmy.one 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I always tell people the easiest way to get a raise is to find a new job. Nobody is keeping up with inflation anymore, it's pretty much required to job hop to break even anymore.

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I like my job, but I'd leave for the right position/compensation.

I try to interview once per quarter, at least.

I've started adding some tough questions, like asking how the average annual increases compare with inflation and COLA. Most interviewers turn into a 13 year old telling a girl they have a crush on them -- all of the sudden 0 confidence.

That's when I tell them that for the circumstance, my compensation ask is going to be quite high.

I also tell local employers that my "in office" ask is literally 5x pay. They always balk and say somethi g like "yeah that's not gonna happen," to which I say "Tell me about it!"

Everyone should interview more. Declining a good offer because you like your situation more feels like doing cocaine.

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[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A company offered me a million dollars to work for them, but then I remembered the ping pong table at my current employer and said no way. Totally worth it.

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[–] plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org 57 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I had this argument with a boomer HR consultant and she just doubled down, even though I explained that neither I nor my colleagues, give two hoots about fussball or team building. Our position is a resounding "fuck you pay me" but oh no - boomer knows best.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 47 points 1 year ago

My then gf now wife moved in with me and my employer wouldn't cover her under the insurance. I made it clear that this was important. They wouldn't back down. So got a new job. During the exit interview I repeated what I told them. It was only about the health insurance. HR tried to get me to talk smack about my manager, a guy I actually liked. I praised him and again told them that this was only about insurance.

Told my manager about what they did on the way out the door.

[–] azvasKvklenko@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, often when an employee leaves it's about the lack of ping-pong table.

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[–] Commiunism@lemmy.wtf 51 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Questions like these make me wonder if large capitalists actually live in an alternate universe but through some time and space shenanigans they are still here. There's just no way they can make this type of shit up (assuming it's a real question) without being delusional or sadistic.

[–] SuddenDownpour@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

There’s just no way they can make this type of shit up (assuming it’s a real question) without being delusional or sadistic.

Of course there is: they want to implement doublethink. It's a deliberate attempt to make workers not to pursue their own rational interest when it conflicts with corporate profits.

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[–] m3t00@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] frazw@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It is pretty simple. Respect your employees and they will respect you. Respect starts with valuing the employee's contributions by paying them a fair wage. It continues with treating them well. A way of treating them well might be a point ping table, but that comes on top of a fair wage, not instead of.

A good manager might recognise a hard working team needs a way to relax and gets a pool table or something. The employees are happy and tell their friends they've got a pool table at work, everyone is jealous. It seems like the pool table is the reason but it is just a symptom of them being generally treated well.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I've never left a company because of money. I have left because the bullshit they put me through wasn't worth the money. That's not just being funny either. I'm okay with being under-compensated if the environment is positive, managers are friendly and flexible, and it actually feels like our sister teams have similar goals and we're not working against each other.

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[–] synapse1278@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Ping Pong table ? Are they serious ?!? We had a PS5 in the meeting room for ~4 month an no one ever touched it. I don't go to work to have a fun time, I go to do my job, then leave and have a fun somewhere else. More correct answers for retaining employees:

  • give them tasks they are interested in
  • give them perspective for developement (promotions, raise, mobility, etc)
  • value their contributions and support them moraly (you want to know your managers and colleages got your back)
  • of course more money ! Or alternatively more freetime !
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[–] Bluefalcon@discuss.tchncs.de 44 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never quit a job over lack of ping pong tables.

[–] ikapoz@sh.itjust.works 31 points 1 year ago

Unless of course your job is to be a ping pong ball tester, in which case you may not be getting supported with the necessary tools to perform your job successfully.

[–] dusky@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Ah yes because I have the time to play ping pong :)

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is true but still not the right answer... it's not always about the money

IT'S ABOUT THE METS BABY, LET'S GO METS, GONNA GET A HOMERUN, LOVE THE METS! LET'S GO METS!

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[–] golamas1999@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

This reminds me of the Simpson episode where they are negotiating a new contract. It’s the same as the old one expect the they replace the dental plan with a keg of beer.

Season 4 Episode 17 “Last Exit to Springfield” .

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[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 31 points 1 year ago

Yeah, we're the fucking generation that can't afford our own living, but have you tried giving us a ping-pong table?

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

How many of these companies think employees are going to say it's about the money during an exit interview? Usually if you agree to an exit interview it's to be diplomatic and not burn your bridges. You're not going to tell the truth, you're going to say what they want to hear.

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[–] lipilee@feddit.nl 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

perfectly maps to startups selling working at a startup as "we're a family", "you're a googler", etc. give them a ping pong table and free beer on fridays and you can pay considerably less.

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[–] bappity@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

the correct answer to this entire questionnaire is to close it and never look back

[–] nxfsi@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They said employee, not wage slave

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