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We refuse to die for fossil fuels – Just Stop Oil response to police raids resulting in at least 27 arrests. (juststopoil.org)

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[–] ThatsMrCharlieToYou@sh.itjust.works 65 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I wholeheartedly agree with the end, I am sometimes at odds with the means but it can't be denied that these activists have some of the biggest balls on the planet and I have nothing but respect for them. The message is clear and consistent, garnering huge publicity for the cause is good. I know some people don't like it but you try getting a multi trillion pound industry to cease causing irreparable harm and you probably wouldn't make your local paper.

What should be remembered is that it shouldn't take this type of activism, but what is left when voices are ignored?

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

what is left when voices are ignored?

We aren't allowed to spell it out on social media sites, as moderators will remove such language. But we all know what needs to happen to make oppression stop. The problem just comes down to coordinating the efforts among the people willing to do the dirty work.

[–] Frokke@lemmings.world -2 points 5 months ago

Biggest balls? Really? They are actually a large part of why we're still so dependent on fossil fuels. If they had the balls to accept nuclear is in fact the faaaaar lesser evil, we could've ditched fossil fuel for electricity generation completely by now. Instead we have countries ramping up coal usage and building new gas power plants to replace their nuclear plants. And they still see this as a win.

Those nuclear plants will be indispensable once we start having entire fleets of 18-wheelers recharging at night.

Agree with their battle. It's necessary. Just not with what they've pushed the past 30-odd years.

[–] hanrahan 23 points 5 months ago

Good on them, modern day heroes.

[+] YourPrivatHater@ani.social -56 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Just Stop Oil is just as counterproductive as the German "letzte Generation" its just pulling the issues into a public view with a absolute negative view, driving most people away. Some might say they are sponsored by big oil so they do this, keeping the public against them and not the actual problem...

I personally say both are just there for free Cloud.

[–] django@discuss.tchncs.de 65 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Sure, I would have stopped the fire, if only the fire alarm wasn't that loud and unpleasent.

[+] YourPrivatHater@ani.social -32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

The fact that i have actually heared similar to that regarding Carbon monoxide alarms should tell you something :/

This is btw a very very different thing, one is acute and visible, the other is abstract and "in the future" human psychology is great at fighting acute things... But not abstract things. And your simplification of this isn't helpful either.

[–] django@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The school I went to got destroyed in a flood, people die in my city due to heat in summer. It is already acute, but people choose to ignore it. Eco systems are under immense pressure all around the world. This is not something in a far away future, it is happening right now.

[–] YourPrivatHater@ani.social -4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Don't tell that to me, im doing something about it, i can still say that the destructive "protest" isn't helping at all and that it just doesn't make things better or bring positive attention towards the topic. Its still counterproductive.

And it not being acute means you don't see the building burn, even though we can statistically show that it is, this is basic psychology "we have floods every year" "yeah it was way hotter outside when i was a child" you get it.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 3 points 5 months ago

What are you doing to help with the systemic change we need?

[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

…you know over 1300 people died during a heat wave, like, a week ago, right? And that wildfires are tearing through he goddamn arctic circle right now? The fuck you think this isn’t acute. You just don’t see it yet because it’s affecting the global south, aka, the poorer, darker skinned countries. Asshole.

[–] YourPrivatHater@ani.social -2 points 5 months ago

You are aware that this has nothing to do with my criticism of the destructive "protests" people in my country die from hear as well. Doesn't make it less abstract than a burning building! Learn basic psychology!

[–] Sizzler 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Man's sat here on negative votes talking about being simple lol.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago

That's a self fulfilling prophecy, isn't it? The effect you describe would not be there if it wasn't for comments like this. Or at the very least, these comments make the effect bigger.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Have a better idea?

[–] vxx@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

A better idea than torching the public support that was painstakingly earned over decades? I guess every idea is better.

[+] YourPrivatHater@ani.social -18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Putting in political work, petitions, speaking to and informing people, writing the politicians (at best paper mail, its taken more seriously) going into a party and making change from inside, protesting normally as in on the streets and not being disruptive to the public.

In general, even doing nothing would be better as what they do is driving more people away from climate politics because they associate the highly disruptive, disrespectful and destructive people with those politics and politicians that do constructive work.

This kind of Extremism is counter productive all the way through. 99% aren't being understanding about people metaphorically spitting them in the face even if what they stand for is technically a good thing.

E: fixed a spelling mistake and a missing word

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I disagree that what they are doing brings any negative consequence to the movement though. Most of them are kids with no real choice. They can't join a party. Heck, most can't even vote. All the things you said are important and they are being done.

[–] DessertStorms@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It's such a shame it's all of our collective necks that boot you're licking so enthusiastically is stomping on, not just yours.