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[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 253 points 7 months ago (10 children)

"Kentucky Attorney General Russell Coleman accused President Biden of being “willing to sacrifice the American auto industry and its workers in service of its radical green agenda."

I mean we could try and transition workers from a more negative industry type to a positive one...but that seems like a lot of work and less profitable, so never mind.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 142 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (10 children)

What the actual fuck is wrong with Republican politicians? I mean, I already know what's wrong with Republican voters - brainwashing by years of Fox "News" - but the politicians? Are they all literal sociopaths?

[–] MrVilliam@lemmy.world 106 points 7 months ago

No, they're just doing what they're being paid to do by special interest groups aka big business. It's not a bug and it's not a feature; it's the point. Optimal profits this quarter. Every quarter is a new quasi generation of executives who want a good quarter before moving on after x quarters.

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 40 points 7 months ago (3 children)

The philosophy behind conservativism is to stay still. Conserve the status. Do not progress.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago (2 children)

But you're describing a standard Dem. Repubs are actively trying to drag us backwards. They are regressives.

[–] skatrek47@sh.itjust.works 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

This is so infuriating, especially when it’s so easy to show that voting against progressive initiatives also hurts their own constituents…

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 22 points 7 months ago

This is so infuriating, especially when it’s so easy to show that voting against progressive initiatives also hurts their own constituents…

"I don't care how much it hurts me, as long as the people I hate are also getting hurt!"

[–] TachyonTele@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago

I'm already depressed as it is. Why do you have to do me in like that?

[–] grue@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That's a popular misconception. The philosophy behind conservatism is to perpetuate hierarchy. The ideology was developed by literal monarchists, and when the "divine right" excuse became untenable they moved on to others like racism and capitalism, but the goal remained the same. It only seems like they want to maintain the status quo because the historical status quo was hierarchical, but rest assured: if society were magically egalitarian instead, conservatives would vigorously try to make sweeping, wholesale changes to create a hierarchy from scratch.

[–] Resonosity@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Interesting insight. Thanks for the correction. Perhaps the choice of lexeme "conservatism" would best be swapped for a neologism like "hierarchism" or something to better describe the principles of the school of thought. Otherwise, I made the connection like OC that conservatism = no change, whether good or bad.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

Otherwise, I made the connection like OC that conservatism = no change, whether good or bad.

That's exactly what they want you to think. It's one of the more prominent ways in which they launder their ideology to make it seem appealing to more people than just sociopaths. (Or at least, used to, until they went full mask-off under Trump.)

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 months ago

Yes. The term has been kind of redefined in practise from massive misuse. Just like many others.

[–] satanmat@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Correct.

They are in charge and are going to do everything to keep it that way.

As you said.

[–] evatronic@lemm.ee 22 points 7 months ago

Nothing. They're behaving quite rationally.

You just have to understand that their motivation is not "successful governing" or "making the world better" but rather, "getting more money."

When you view their actions through the lens of self-enrichment, they're behaving quite normally.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You gotta know at this point the system has feedback. Its possible most of them were raised on the same shit their constituents are huffing.

[–] Uranium3006@kbin.social 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

ever since the tea party and especially trump the inmates are running the asylum

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 8 points 7 months ago

Nah before that was Bush and Cheney getting us into decades long wars in Iraq and Afghanistan because some Saudis attacked us.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

It's been so long that the inmates are running the asylum in the GOP these days.

[–] moitoi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 7 months ago

When you brainwashed for generations, you end with brainwashed in politics. This is just the beginning.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago

It’s just simple corruption (or lobby, as it’s called in the US), they are saying what the highest bidder asks them to say

[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Are they all literal sociopaths?

Yes. Just pick one and pay attention to what they do and say for a little while.

[–] freebee@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

rustbelting makes voters transition from democrat to republican. you could argue that they actually benefit from declining industry, so of course they're going for it

[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 1 points 7 months ago

omg politicians being bad I'm absolutely gobsmacked

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 73 points 7 months ago (6 children)

The American auto industry could also produce EVs, if it so chose. Nobody has to lose their jobs.

[–] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 61 points 7 months ago (1 children)

As an American auto worker, I like our move to EVs and the jobs at the massive new factories we built. But I guess wanting blue collar workers learning new skills and technologies makes me a gay communist.

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)
[–] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 43 points 7 months ago (1 children)

All communists are gay trans fairy men who love satan and hate guns. Didn't you get the pamphlet?

[–] just_another_person@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I've been dodging memos and pamphlets for some time now.

[–] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 22 points 7 months ago

Two groups conservatives hate.

[–] skyspydude1@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Because nonsensical insults are their bread and butter, and just being a communist isn't good enough anymore.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 19 points 7 months ago

just being a communist isn't good enough anymore.

Especially since they love Russia now (because it's fascist), but the distinction between the communist USSR and the fascist Russian Federation confuses a lot of their base.

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[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 12 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Tesla is an American company. The 'traditional' American auto companies like GM and Ford don't even build or source a lot of their parts in the US and Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep has been owned by a European company for quite a while now. This guy is a chump and I wish someone would have called him out on his BS.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

This guy is a chump and I wish someone would have called him out on his BS.

It's no wonder. He's a Republican, so that automatically makes him a assbag. Also, Toyota has a Camry manufacturing plant in Georgetown, Ford assembles Escapes in Louisville, and of course GM makes Corvettes in Bowling Green, so it's no surprise that he'd be regressive towards automotive tech (even though Ford and SK are spending like $4 billion to build two battery manufactuing plants outside Louisville).

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 10 points 7 months ago

Maybe someone should create EV incentives, with a requirement to be manufactured in country - both incentive to buy and incentive to manufacturers to invest in guaranteed growth area, and for their own future. Oops, that’s what we already have

[–] ebc@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago

They already do: Ford has the Mach-E & F-150 Lightning plus a bunch of PHEVs, GM has (had) the Bolt, Stellantis makes a few PHEVs among which one of the the very few cars on the market that can carry 7 passengers on battery power (the Chrysler Pacifica) altough that one is made in Canada, not the US.

Oh, and all of Tesla.

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[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 44 points 7 months ago (3 children)

There's also nothing stopping the big three from making EVs.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 25 points 7 months ago

And making more than the minimum the government requires them to make for quota. Demand is even there now, so there's no excuse other than the bottom line, plus a bit of cooperation with the oil companies.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

So I keep hearing people say:

“Just wait until the big players get into the game, then I’ll buy a good car”.

Imo the big players don’t deserve to survive this transition. They had their opportunity to spearhead it but instead literally chose to be on the wrong side of history.

Nothing stopping big players but greed to get into the EV game.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 10 points 7 months ago

Yeah but it's cheaper to just kill the competition than expand into a whole new sector.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 20 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Perhaps they'd like to rollback all the times we've bailed out the auto industry. We don't want the government to be choosing winners and losers, after all.

[–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 19 points 7 months ago

Please do. "too big to fail" is bullshit. All the equipment getting liquidated could have went to companies that could have started up for pennies. I can only imaging how many companies could have started and where they'd be today if they were allowed to do their thing.

[–] lunar17@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

I'm really tired of republicans calling anything democrats do "radical" or "extreme" when they're just pushing for the most mild stuff. I would die for some actual radical left ideas.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 17 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I don't know what this guy is pissed about. China is going to make their EVs in Mexico, like responsible American companies!

[–] XTL@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

They've already made contracts and announcements for France as well.

[–] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 3 points 7 months ago

The funny part is that the US could just subsidize their EVs at the same rate and keep China out, but they'd rather sacrifice their whole auto industry to keep subsidizing oil.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

It’s not even less profitable.

[–] TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

That’s weird, because my Ford PHEV was assembled in Kentucky.

[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

It's almost like one of the main functions a functioning federal government is to create and regulate new markets. But why bother politicians with work when they can just try to bully people into complacency.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

and its worker

UAW got bipartisan support, right?