As an American-Brit who has been living in Sweden for a couple of years, I've always found it interesting that pretty much everyone I know here can be found at their home address simply by googling their name and clicking on hitta.se. When I show this to my British or American friends, they're always shocked, and I find myself explaining that "Swedes have a very different, more trusting, relationship with their government than Brits or Americans."
Personally, I've never had a problem arise from this, and neither has anyone I know here, but I've been here less than for two years. I love it here and I can see myself living here for the rest of my life (that is, if you'll have me! Soon time to renew my visa!)
But I find myself wondering: Has anyone here, or anyone you know, ever had a problem arise from their address being listed publicly? Strange people turning up at your door, weird post or packages, or something worse?
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The original was posted on /r/sweden by /u/adjectivenounnr at 2023-07-06 07:00:45+00:00.
Late_Ad3405 at 2023-07-06 07:24:41+00:00 ID:
jqv1h46Theres a massive problem with criminals being able to find their victims, and criminals at the same time sets their home where it isnt, even though its illegal it doesnt matter to them ofc.. So they eat and have the cake.
The system is retarded. It really doesnt bring any benefits to law abiding citizens.
Its an remnant from the good ole times when there wasnt shootings and bomb detonations every week.
Traditional_Fee_1965 at 2023-07-06 08:13:51+00:00 ID:
jqv520fYou really believe the criminals wouldn't find Thier targets without hitta? Get real man...
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 08:29:22+00:00 ID:
jqv661qLol - You dont think its easier?
Hitta.se and the open registry in Sweden is an extreme invasion of privacy, dangerous and it should be illegal.
Imagine being a girl who has a stalker and she can’t get her address removed from these sites for more than a week before they are up again.
It’s insane how nonchalant you are.
Dapper-Warning-6695 at 2023-07-06 10:10:09+00:00 ID:
jqvdjdiWhy can’t she get her adress removed ?
IonicDecay at 2023-07-06 09:12:44+00:00 ID:
jqv99voThe solution to stalking is not to permanently hide the victim... it might be a short-term solution to imminent danger. If someone is afraid to have their name/adress out in public, you fix the problem,don't just hide it away.
Also thats not how stalking works they don't need a register to find you anyway... cause it's all public info no matter what you do. Anyone can get your name from a friend, a customer/ coworker at work, or social media. Same with whare you live... they can just follow you
And if you say the police don't do enough with stalking, well then that's a police issue, not the register...
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 09:38:02+00:00 ID:
jqvb39qWhy are you people arguing for open registries and exploited personal details?
Why are you literally claiming that having your address, ID number and phone number out in the open makes no difference for people who do not want to be found?
What the fuck is going on lol
Scarletmajesty at 2023-07-06 09:44:15+00:00 ID:
jqvbjuhYou do know you can have the online registries to not show your information, right? You don't even have to have your phone number visible if you don't want to. You'd be hard-pressed to find my phonenumber anywhere online.
IonicDecay at 2023-07-06 09:51:43+00:00 ID:
jqvc472It's public info even if it's not on hitta... anyone in the public can see or find out that info anyway
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 09:52:57+00:00 ID:
jqvc7ifWhich it shouldn’t be, I have no idea how a bunch of Redditors are supporting a boomer anti-privacy policy.
Are you all 65 years old relying on the phone book?
throaweyye44 at 2023-07-06 11:08:24+00:00 ID:
jqvigisYou are either completely missing his point or just acting dumb since you have no other argument besides ”but muh privacy!!!”
Your example of girl getting stalked on Hitta makes no sense. Don’t successful stalkers exist outside of Sweden or what? People can easily find out where you live by either talking to close contacts, looking at pictures on IG, finding out your workplace or common shops and follow you home etc. etc. Hitta maybe just makes this process faster but even if you have a fake adress there, they will find you..
Also no one who you replied to arguing that it is a good thing that Hitta exists. Where are you getting that from?
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 11:11:00+00:00 ID:
jqvip23I never said that, i said it was easier - whilst you all claimed it was literally no issue.
"but muh privacy" should be absolutely fucking enough, you absolute dipshit.
How about this - maybe you can find some sense -
Your grandmother gets a call from "her bank" that builds her trust as they have ALL her personal information in front of them, telling her to log in using BankID, taking her money.
Thats fine too? Because the elderly getting scammed is no issue, right?
"Well they are getting scammed outside of Sweden too" - Yes you fucking imbecile, but it's EASIER to do when you have everyones personal information out in the open.
And it's not just hitta, try to get erased from Ratsit and MerInfo or MrKoll.
Oh and then move or do something else that updates your ID number in the database, it might just magically appear again.
Fucking morons.
Roos19 at 2023-07-06 13:35:17+00:00 ID:
jqvyw5nFuck off if you dont like it. Having a tantrum om reddit wont change swedish peoples mind.
Bluegnoll at 2023-07-06 10:10:31+00:00 ID:
jqvdke4If there's need for it, you can get a "hidden identity". My mom was excluded from things like hitta.se for the majority of my life since she didn't want my dad to be able to find her. You would not be able to find her adress or phone number without some heavy digging. If you need that kind of safety due to threats against you, there are options.
Now, most criminals would probably be able to find you anyway, but when it comes to domestic violence, very few abusers have access to a net of other criminals that could help them track you down so it still serve a purpose.
svullenballe at 2023-07-06 08:23:20+00:00 ID:
jqv7fd4Any swede in would tell you that's bullshit and it's obvious you're not from here. Stop it with the right wing propaganda.
Late_Ad3405 at 2023-07-06 08:52:45+00:00 ID:
jqv7u90Weve been naive is the swedish mantra of the century. Haha höger, hur fan är det höger? Nä man kan ju inte ha en egen åsikt i Sverige de ä omöööjligt. Jantelag ftw.
diffractionaction at 2023-07-06 09:50:53+00:00 ID:
jqvc1vaJantelagen är det bästa vi har. Håll käften och sitt ner 👍👍👍
pehrs at 2023-07-06 08:13:37+00:00 ID:
jqv51elThis is not a "massive problem". Calling it that is just FlashBack fearmongering. Like all systems, it can be abused. But thinking that the contact information for people can be somehow kept "secret" in other societies is pretty much a pipe dream. It's just less well organized.
No benefits, other than being one part of having a high trust society, and making interaction with other people easier. Having the state, instead of a cabal of private information brokers, controlling this information is also much better from a transparency perspective.
More fear mongering. And you just explained that criminals, who are the targets on shootings and bombings, does not live at their registered addresses... So I have no idea why this is relevant.
xyzjoysibar at 2023-07-06 08:46:55+00:00 ID:
jqv68l3A massive problem, yet this is the first time I’m ever hearing about it lmfao.
zlahhan at 2023-07-06 10:02:14+00:00 ID:
jqvcx43Känner du många i socialt utsatta positioner? Har hört mycket om detta trots att jag kanske inte fullt håller med.
Ogrelind at 2023-07-06 08:19:49+00:00 ID:
jqv5qi9Most people can figure out where the rich people live without publicly available addresses and tax records.
Criminal violence such as bombings almost always targets other criminals. If criminals don't even live at their registered addresses then the offenders have little use of these public records.
Late_Ad3405 at 2023-07-06 08:24:47+00:00 ID:
jqv5uaeThen why do they attack relatives?
Nine-LifedEnchanter at 2023-07-06 10:01:14+00:00 ID:
jqvcub3Älskar att inget av dina argument håller. Du bara hittar på skit och inget fastnar.
Kek
Loltty at 2023-07-06 08:15:14+00:00 ID:
jqv9r9sYou can have “hidden identity“ if you are the target of criminals
throaweyye44 at 2023-07-06 11:15:50+00:00 ID:
jqvj561Exactly. And even then you probably have bigger problems on your hands if you need to remove your identity on Hitta
Icy_Loan_8294 at 2023-07-06 07:53:43+00:00 ID:
jqv3lt1Downvoted for stating a fact?
Goo5e at 2023-07-06 08:12:59+00:00 ID:
jqv4zuq"massive problem" är ju rent objektivt inte sant, inte fan är det det
que-que at 2023-07-06 08:19:50+00:00 ID:
jqv5hatDet är ett ganska stort problem för dem med något av högt värde.
Du kan i Sverige i princip slå upp vart det står en Porsche gt4 öppet på webben…
Hajfan at 2023-07-06 08:58:49+00:00 ID:
jqv8a7hSedan när var det svårt att hitta värdefulla bilar för kriminella? Steg ett 1: Gå hem till gessle eller valfritt överklassområde. Steg 2: sno bilen. Steg 3: profit?
que-que at 2023-07-06 09:10:17+00:00 ID:
jqv93jfPrecis som du fortfarande går till tågstationen och kollar när nästa tåg går istället för att kolla tidtabellen online?
Gör dig inte själv korkad, inse att det går att missbrukas. Jag har ingen åsikt i frågan, men kan samtidigt se att det är ett problem i vissa fall.
Hajfan at 2023-07-06 09:33:56+00:00 ID:
jqvasdiVa fan va det för liknelse? Hade du skitit i att åka tåg om internet inte fanns eller vad försöker du säga?
que-que at 2023-07-06 09:46:13+00:00 ID:
jqvbp6gNej, men det underlättar.
Late_Ad3405 at 2023-07-06 08:17:59+00:00 ID:
jqv5cl6Hur letar kriminella upp rival släktingar att spränga då ?
Eller kallar du en sådan sak en bagatell ?
Late_Ad3405 at 2023-07-06 07:59:13+00:00 ID:
jqv40d9Easy to downvote, hard to argue facts.
zodiaken at 2023-07-06 08:12:20+00:00 ID:
jqv4y7nWell, the question was asked if you have had any problems with it or anyone you know (in person implied). So maybe try and answer the question instead of stating facts, as you say, without any source.
Otjeho at 2023-07-06 08:45:20+00:00 ID:
jqv7be2He’s right about the issue regarding how criminals use it to locate people. I have personal experience with this, and it was fucking awful. Or take stalkers for example.
In my opinion the biggest problem with it, is how hard it is to legally hide it. If that was easier, the list of potential problems would decrease.
IonicDecay at 2023-07-06 09:30:04+00:00 ID:
jqvaif9Yes awful... don't specify anything...
Your name, whare you live and your income is already public info, it's info you tell people in smalltalk, it's info any stranger can see with their eyes just standing near your hose or work, it's info your friends talkabout with other people.
Otjeho at 2023-07-06 09:42:36+00:00 ID:
jqvbfg4I can’t go into details about it unfortunately.
The point is that I can CHOOSE to be open about it to people, but I can’t really choose it being public online
IonicDecay at 2023-07-06 09:49:27+00:00 ID:
jqvbxvzBut.. you literally can't choose to be open or not about it to people near you. Unless you live in the forrest with high walls around and never leave. And even then u can guess your income based on the appearance of the house and I can see the house so I know where you live...