As an American-Brit who has been living in Sweden for a couple of years, I've always found it interesting that pretty much everyone I know here can be found at their home address simply by googling their name and clicking on hitta.se. When I show this to my British or American friends, they're always shocked, and I find myself explaining that "Swedes have a very different, more trusting, relationship with their government than Brits or Americans."
Personally, I've never had a problem arise from this, and neither has anyone I know here, but I've been here less than for two years. I love it here and I can see myself living here for the rest of my life (that is, if you'll have me! Soon time to renew my visa!)
But I find myself wondering: Has anyone here, or anyone you know, ever had a problem arise from their address being listed publicly? Strange people turning up at your door, weird post or packages, or something worse?
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The original was posted on /r/sweden by /u/adjectivenounnr at 2023-07-06 07:00:45+00:00.
Traditional_Fee_1965 at 2023-07-06 08:13:51+00:00 ID:
jqv520fYou really believe the criminals wouldn't find Thier targets without hitta? Get real man...
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 08:29:22+00:00 ID:
jqv661qLol - You dont think its easier?
Hitta.se and the open registry in Sweden is an extreme invasion of privacy, dangerous and it should be illegal.
Imagine being a girl who has a stalker and she can’t get her address removed from these sites for more than a week before they are up again.
It’s insane how nonchalant you are.
Dapper-Warning-6695 at 2023-07-06 10:10:09+00:00 ID:
jqvdjdiWhy can’t she get her adress removed ?
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 10:25:03+00:00 ID:
jqvepnvThey reupload it at updates. They do not have to comply with your request and they will not guarantee it being removed.
If you move, they add it. If you change your number, they add it.
Why the fuck is this even a discussion, what do you gain from being able to see everyone’s private details?
Dapper-Warning-6695 at 2023-07-06 10:27:08+00:00 ID:
jqvevpdYou are making shit up.
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 10:31:12+00:00 ID:
jqvf7iqNo you absolute dork. It’s called ”Utgivningsbevis” and it overrides EU privacy laws.
Dapper-Warning-6695 at 2023-07-06 10:32:02+00:00 ID:
jqvfa14Your so stupid. I’m not on Hitta.se
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 10:35:42+00:00 ID:
jqvfkzhYou are on ratsit, merinfo and probably a dozen more.
If you move, you may be back on hitta. You may be back on Hitta just because they decide to do a new update on your postal code.
Stop talking.
IonicDecay at 2023-07-06 09:12:44+00:00 ID:
jqv99voThe solution to stalking is not to permanently hide the victim... it might be a short-term solution to imminent danger. If someone is afraid to have their name/adress out in public, you fix the problem,don't just hide it away.
Also thats not how stalking works they don't need a register to find you anyway... cause it's all public info no matter what you do. Anyone can get your name from a friend, a customer/ coworker at work, or social media. Same with whare you live... they can just follow you
And if you say the police don't do enough with stalking, well then that's a police issue, not the register...
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 09:38:02+00:00 ID:
jqvb39qWhy are you people arguing for open registries and exploited personal details?
Why are you literally claiming that having your address, ID number and phone number out in the open makes no difference for people who do not want to be found?
What the fuck is going on lol
Bluegnoll at 2023-07-06 10:10:31+00:00 ID:
jqvdke4If there's need for it, you can get a "hidden identity". My mom was excluded from things like hitta.se for the majority of my life since she didn't want my dad to be able to find her. You would not be able to find her adress or phone number without some heavy digging. If you need that kind of safety due to threats against you, there are options.
Now, most criminals would probably be able to find you anyway, but when it comes to domestic violence, very few abusers have access to a net of other criminals that could help them track you down so it still serve a purpose.
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 10:24:01+00:00 ID:
jqvemouWhy would I need a hidden identity for not letting random strangers know exactly where I live and what my phone number is?
Do you realise how crazy this is ?
Bluegnoll at 2023-07-06 10:34:49+00:00 ID:
jqvfia8Crazy? No. Annoying as fuck? Yes.
I've got a phone phobia. The fact that random strangers are calling me over and over again during the day stresses me the fuck out to the point that my phone is always in silent mode and I sometimes miss important calls due to this. It's not like it was when I was a kid and the only people calling you actually needed to reach you for a legitimate cause. And back then anyone could still get your adress or phone number from the "Telefonkatalogen". Yet strangers didn't call. So public contact information is not the problem in my opinion.
And I get that there are dangers with this, I do. I just think the benefits are greater. And why do you think a random stranger would ever just decide to get in contact with another random stranger by visiting hitta.se? That's as crazy as it gets. Most people don't just start bothering strangers out of the blue.
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 10:38:05+00:00 ID:
jqvfsc5What are the benefits?
Fisktor at 2023-07-06 10:22:16+00:00 ID:
jqveht4Why dont you want to be found?
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 10:23:17+00:00 ID:
jqvekmhThat’s not the point. Privacy is incredibly important.
Scarletmajesty at 2023-07-06 09:44:15+00:00 ID:
jqvbjuhYou do know you can have the online registries to not show your information, right? You don't even have to have your phone number visible if you don't want to. You'd be hard-pressed to find my phonenumber anywhere online.
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 09:45:11+00:00 ID:
jqvbme4You can. And they can comply but will automatically add it back up regularly, because they are not legally required to follow your wishes.
Try adding a phonenumber and see all your stuff come back.
Scarletmajesty at 2023-07-06 09:48:05+00:00 ID:
jqvbu77Odd, haven't had my phonenumber pop back up on hitta.se or anything again for like 10 years, but alright.
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 09:54:11+00:00 ID:
jqvcazsGreat anecdote, that sure means that it’s non existant.
Why are you dying on this hill and supporting private information out in the open and trying to sell it as non problematic?
IonicDecay at 2023-07-06 09:51:43+00:00 ID:
jqvc472It's public info even if it's not on hitta... anyone in the public can see or find out that info anyway
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 09:52:57+00:00 ID:
jqvc7ifWhich it shouldn’t be, I have no idea how a bunch of Redditors are supporting a boomer anti-privacy policy.
Are you all 65 years old relying on the phone book?
IonicDecay at 2023-07-06 10:50:24+00:00 ID:
jqvguj8How are you not getting what I am saying. If you take away all the policy, it's still public info. That is information the public can literally see or hear in the public without any help
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 11:05:59+00:00 ID:
jqvi8heThere is a difference between being "public info" as in, you have to order it from the government,
And an open registry online which can be viewed, crawled and scraped by anyone or anything.
How are you not understanding how this is a privacy issue?
throaweyye44 at 2023-07-06 11:08:24+00:00 ID:
jqvigisYou are either completely missing his point or just acting dumb since you have no other argument besides ”but muh privacy!!!”
Your example of girl getting stalked on Hitta makes no sense. Don’t successful stalkers exist outside of Sweden or what? People can easily find out where you live by either talking to close contacts, looking at pictures on IG, finding out your workplace or common shops and follow you home etc. etc. Hitta maybe just makes this process faster but even if you have a fake adress there, they will find you..
Also no one who you replied to arguing that it is a good thing that Hitta exists. Where are you getting that from?
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 11:11:00+00:00 ID:
jqvip23I never said that, i said it was easier - whilst you all claimed it was literally no issue.
"but muh privacy" should be absolutely fucking enough, you absolute dipshit.
How about this - maybe you can find some sense -
Your grandmother gets a call from "her bank" that builds her trust as they have ALL her personal information in front of them, telling her to log in using BankID, taking her money.
Thats fine too? Because the elderly getting scammed is no issue, right?
"Well they are getting scammed outside of Sweden too" - Yes you fucking imbecile, but it's EASIER to do when you have everyones personal information out in the open.
And it's not just hitta, try to get erased from Ratsit and MerInfo or MrKoll.
Oh and then move or do something else that updates your ID number in the database, it might just magically appear again.
Fucking morons.
Roos19 at 2023-07-06 13:35:17+00:00 ID:
jqvyw5nFuck off if you dont like it. Having a tantrum om reddit wont change swedish peoples mind.
NomadicSabre at 2023-07-06 11:03:04+00:00 ID:
jqvhz2pI work in security and it is a real problem. The hivemind in here is very naive
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 11:07:42+00:00 ID:
jqvie43Their minds have melted for some reason, literally supporting privacy invasions and endangering people who needs to not be seen, or even just letting callcenters call anyone over the age of 85 with all of their personal details to build trust, and then scam them for money.
Fucking reddit.
NomadicSabre at 2023-07-06 11:24:20+00:00 ID:
jqvjxvxHere are two examples that happens regularly:
My colleague is off work heads to a gym with his friend. They go to this fancier gym with a nice neighborhood because they were closeby. Unfortunately my colleague and his friend looks the part of the stereotypical criminal, softpants tattoos all that stuff. They encounter a group of people that are highely likely criminal affiliated, as they get very nervous when my friends enter the gym. It is likely that they go to places other rivals dont go to. They get eyed up a lot. Eventually they leave like 30 minutes earlier than my friends all together. When my colleague leaves he sees them waiting, one is out and rest in the car with engine running. They check my friends car registration when they enter the car and leave. The next day my friend gets a call from his friend he hasnt spoken to that he knows for a fact that is in this shady business, thus he distanced himself from this guy. But they been friends like childhood friends. They all live in the same area. This guy asks my friend what he wanted with these guys and headsup that they are affiliated. My friend says no shit but kinda finds it funny that they were nervous, because he knew the criminals were nervous cuz he thought they were gonna potentially get into a shootout. This is how these things happen when rival gangs shoot each other. Eitherway the misunderstanding got cleared out, but as you can see these guys figured out quickly where my friend lives because of the car regristration and asked around until his old friend knew who he was that lives closeby.
As for other examples i know a lot of civillians and security personell refuse or play dumb to become witnesses because everything about you comes forward and no one wants to be a martyr to testify against a criminal. This happens very often and regularly even damning evidences. However security personell are forced to testify but often they darken things to the police to not get into trouble.
This is the reality we live in.
Apokalyptisk at 2023-07-06 11:30:20+00:00 ID:
jqvkiq4Yep.
These Redditors are absolute smoothbrains who think that Hitta.se and Eniro are just some fun apps where you can look up your cousins adress to send christmas cards.
This is where phone scammers get their info, this is were crazy Ex's get a hold of a persons adress, this is where fathers with restraining orders find out where their kids who changed their last names moved.
Absolute morons.
Roos19 at 2023-07-06 13:39:16+00:00 ID:
jqvzf92Call centers get your information from stores etc that you visit and make purchases and accept terms etc etc
Late_Ad3405 at 2023-07-06 08:22:18+00:00 ID:
jqv5nrqSka du inte ge dom automatvapen också då ? Jävla enable argument.
Klart som fan det underlättar att hitta folk, det är ju det offentlighetsprincipen är till för.
Late_Ad3405 at 2023-07-06 08:32:02+00:00 ID:
jqv6cw3Den stora frågan är varför folk är så vilkorslöst kära i denna princip.
toew at 2023-07-06 08:50:51+00:00 ID:
jqv7pg1I’ll bite! Pga att det i grund och botten handlar om transparens och insyn i det allmännas angelägenheter. Utan offentlighetsprincipen blir insynen kraftigt begränsad med risk för ökad korruption och skumraskaffärer. Skulle insynen kunna begränsas avseende personers adressuppgifter? Ja sannolikt, men det finns ingen vilja hos lagstiftaren och det handlar också om inskränkning av en för Sverige grundläggande rättsprincip vilket redan där möter kraftigt motstånd.
weirdowerdo at 2023-07-06 09:05:40+00:00 ID:
jqv8rpt^^ Detta, något vi statsvetare kallar genomflödeslegitimitet. Offentlighetsprincipen är ett instrument för ansvarsutkrävande.
xhandler at 2023-07-06 10:05:35+00:00 ID:
jqvd6fxhttps://www.bt.se/boras/pappa-i-respirator-efter-trafikbrak-smabarnsfamiljen-har-tvingats-fly-boras/
Hittar ingen artikel utan betalvägg. Men en kvinna får road rage, tar bild på regplåten ringer upp sina kriminella klan som åker och misshandlar en man. Att sån här skit får hända ens en person så har det gått för långt för mig.
Finns säkert många fler exempel men detta är det jag mindes och kunde få fram.
zlahhan at 2023-07-06 10:11:53+00:00 ID:
jqvdo9uFinns väldigt många exempel, även sådana direkt kopplade till sajter som hitta. Kidsen på reddit tenderar att inte riktigt känna folk som råkat illa ut i livet, och det är absolute ett nischat problem, men det är oavsett vad väldigt problematiskt för vissa människor. Släng på att hemlig identitet sätter käppar i hjulet för väldigt mycket i livet och man får lite av en bajsmacka som t.ex. potentiellt offer för något dåligt.