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[–] FollyDolly@lemmy.world 124 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I swear to fucking god the next white dude who tries to play Devil's Advocate with me is getting throwen out the window.

[–] tkk13909@sopuli.xyz 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)
[–] littletranspunk@lemmus.org 42 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The more aggressive form of thrown

TMYK

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 6 months ago (4 children)

No, that's defenestration. You're thinking of a seat used by a monarch, denoting power and authority over a country.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

No that’s a throne, you’re thinking of a dwarven son of thrain,

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 6 months ago

Thorin, son of Thrain, son of Thror

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[–] OrnateLuna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 6 months ago

You lure them in a false sense of safety and superiority by giving them a nice chair and then meet them out

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[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 12 points 6 months ago

Thrown with intenten

[–] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

getting throwen out the window.

Dude! You had the perfect opportunity to use the magnificent word "defenestrated"!

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Wdym? They got to use throwen

[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 16 points 6 months ago

But did you know that the devil wears cool skirts you can buy?

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 6 months ago

just to play devils advocate here. Lets say there's a window behind you, and i'm not currently playing devils advocate. And then i throw you out of the window first...

[–] Lennard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 82 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Honestly it's fucked up how our school system treats children. We need to talk about racism but also about how children are not to be seen as some sort of human clay that we need to form into whatever we see fit.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 58 points 6 months ago (3 children)

It's not entirely clear what you're saying, but the sooner we acknowledge that children are inevitably formed by their environment and there's no "natural" way to let them somehow form themselves the sooner we can start discussing what is good to teach them and the correct way to do it.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh so you want to groom children? (this is sarcasm trying to point out why we can't have nice things)

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Unironically yes. I want to groom them to be a wonderful, compassionate member of society with the tools to manage their mental health and ask for help when they need it.

[–] prunerye 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying either, but nature vs nurture wasn't settled in nurture's favor. It's somewhere in between.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'll be honest, this doesn't really make sense as a response to my post. It wouldn't really matter where you or I fall on the nature vs nurture argument for my post to be relevant. (Unless one of us somehow believed it was entirely nature.)

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[–] SouthEndSunset@lemm.ee 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

“Our school system”?

Dunno where you’re from, but different countries have different standards of education.

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They're from the racist country that isn't allowed to talk about it. I get the US defaultism but cmon

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 6 months ago

children are clay. That's the problem. The issue arises with how do we best raise them to be most equipped to tackle every day things.

Personally, i'm of the belief that we should teach them as much as possible, get them into more complex fields earlier, sociology and psychology especially. A good psych/socio class experience in HS can REALLY change someones life for the better.

Saying that children aren't to be treated like clay is wrong. They are clay, we need to be conscious of that, and sculpt them into a properly functioning human, who can enjoy life, and respect others. Not just raise them to be a wage slave or whatever the fuck the current meta is now. We saw this exact problem with the "feral child" incident.

[–] Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 74 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There was a weird incident in class where a good amount of my classmates, including some who were POC, believed that black people were biologically more aggressive based on anecdotal experience.

I'm white but I was arguing against this because it made no sense. As a possible explanation I argued that black communities are typically poorer because of history (slavery, segregation, ect) and that poor and desperate communities are whats more likely to be violent.

It seemed to get them to pause for a moment. I'm sure I wasn't as nuanced as I'd be now but I was a dumb reactionary teenager talking to dumb reactionary teenagers.

[–] l10lin@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

you were right, class solidification has been happening and has had an effect since long ago.

[–] somtwo@lemmy.world 70 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Ok, so my boring take on this: I think the word privilege is overused. In my mind there is a basic level of human decency everyone should be treated with. If you are treated above and beyond that, you have some privilege. Situations like the one mentioned in this post (to my mind) don't speak to a lack of privilege, but to the presence of oppression.

[–] kakes@sh.itjust.works 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I see your point, but I do think that "privilege" is normally used in a way that includes freedom from oppression.

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[–] Fridam@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Shouldnt be and being are two different concepts. Lack of discrimination shouldnt be a privilege, but it is. I dont think hiding it is a part of the solution

[–] milliams@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Privilege comes from "private law", so would mean the ability to be judged in a different way to other people and therefore to perhaps avoid punishment for things others would suffer.

[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 44 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have personally been called slurs in my school and been forced to explain why I don't deserve death for "invoking gods wrath which will cause the death of humanity" (the great sin is being Asexual).

[–] Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works 24 points 6 months ago

How dare you not think people are hot.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 32 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Not in high school. I was privileged and lived in a wonder-bread suburb. But a lot of people then (fewer now) believed those with mental illness should be treated like Jason Voorhees and gunned down like a rabid animal or locked in an institution and kept tranquilized my the nurses.

I did believe in the late '80s I could negotiate with law enforcement and was able to navigate though some troubling encounters. If I wasn't Scandinavian white, those could well have gone differently.

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[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 30 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] Lennard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 months ago
[–] ToastedPlanet@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 6 months ago

It happened to me because we were discussing the Nazi's views on racial hierarchy in sophomore honors history class and I'm ethnically Jewish. It was a surreal experience.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 26 points 6 months ago (13 children)

I always took the weak position in persuasive essay assignments and debate class. I thought it was more of a challenge to argue for the wrong side.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (6 children)

i hate when debate pieces are presented. It's such bullshit. Just let me talk about the two sides and then fuck off. You don't need me to explain to you how to think about something. You have a brain, i put ALL the shit you could ever possibly want right in front of you and now you decide "oh no i need you to tell me how to think, i no rember, it hard" Fuck you.

don't get me wrong, i enjoy researching and writing them. But fucking hell, you don't have to have an opinion about every little fucking thing to exist.

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[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 months ago

The one debate I had in high school was whether or not humans should incorporate artificial (bionic) parts into their bodies. I had to argue against so much stupid bullshit that I lost plenty of respect for most of them - I do not even want to imagine how I would have felt if the matter of debate had been whether or not I should have equal rights. The following day everyone agreed that I won the debate though.

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 6 months ago (6 children)

I don't get it, why would one debate human rights? Is it because it's unfortunate to have dumb people in class or what are we talking about here?

[–] zaph@sh.itjust.works 23 points 6 months ago

I debated abortion in school a couple decades ago. I would consider that a human right but I had to debate the opposite at the time.

[–] grrgyle 16 points 6 months ago

Comes up in politics or ethics discussions a lot. Or at least it used to when I was in school. Things like gay rights, women's rights, right to die, etc etc

[–] modifier@lemmy.ca 16 points 6 months ago

It's worse because you aren't debating human rights, you are debating what human is.

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[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

I teach - I have to debate my basic human rights every day (sleep and time spent not working are apparently not rights I hold according to our more entitled students/managers).

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Yeah I had to debate my right to marry in high school

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