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[–] mipadaitu@lemmy.world 60 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not me. I make my hydrogen from scratch every morning. Takes a while, but you can really tell the difference.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago

Mine is mixed with methane.

[–] stanleytweedle@lemmy.world 47 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

I've always suspected most of life's problems could be traced back to hydrogen.

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This is giving me Groundskeeper Willie complaining about the Scots vibes

[–] motor_spirit@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I want you both to help me with therapy.. I just need to point fingers!

[–] atomicorange@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Damn hydrogen! It ruined the universe!

[–] kinsnik@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

i think if you have problems with your weight, that is mostly an oxygen problem

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 40 points 6 months ago (5 children)

If you break down that far, isn't everything as old as the universe?

[–] Ross_audio@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (4 children)

When fusion or fission occurs you get new atoms.

It's Hydrogen that's existed since the universe cooled enough for electrons and protons to make atoms. Seconds after the big bang.

That's most hydrogen.

It's never been fused into heavier elements just still sticking around and caught in the planetary part of the solar system rather than the sun itself. Or any previous suns.

There's some helium like that but most helium was formed inside suns later, and heavier elements all formed later in suns or supernovas.

[–] bitwaba@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

It's Hydrogen that's existed since the universe cooled enough for electrons and protons to make atoms. Seconds after the big bang.

Atoms didn't exist until 380,000 years after the big bang. Before that the universe was too dense for atoms to form and everything existed as a hot dense plasma where no electron could be captured by protons and neutrons. The protons that make up the nucleus of hydrogen did exist, it's just that everything was too energetic to become an atom yet.

[–] CrayonRosary@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

heavier elements all formed later in suns or supernovas

Don't forget neutron star collisions. Modern physics doesn't think there's enough energy in supernovae to create all the elements, so some must have come from neutron star collisions.

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 6 months ago

But you don't get new protons and neurons that way right? Higher nucleei are just hydrogen nucleei that got too cozy with each other.

[–] Entropywins@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

More like 380,000 years after the big bang you still needed everything to cool down and forces to separate and lots of other really cool stuff to happen before hydrogen could form.

[–] PrinceWith999Enemies@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

I’m a biologist rather than a physicist, but I will take a swing at this.

Not really, although it depends on how you do your definitions. Most of the elements were formed by stars, which were themselves formed by the OG hydrogen, so hydrogen came first. So, first energy, then particles, then hydrogen, then stars and such, then oxygen and iron and all of those things.

I’m open to any corrections.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

"All of the protons in the universe have been around since the beginning of the universe. Most of them haven't undergone nuclear fusion"

Isn't that good of a post title

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 2 points 6 months ago

Maybe not for you, but its much more interesting for me, as it gives more info than "if you think about it, old things are old"

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[–] h3mlocke@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

Yeah that's what I was thinking...

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[–] KISSmyOSFeddit@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago

Hydrogen is a colorless, odorless gas that, given enough time, starts to wonder where it came from.

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

As Carl Sagan said, "The cosmos is within us. We are made of star-stuff."

[–] thesystemisdown@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

Came here to make sure it was said.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

No wonder.

  • Water: 2 hydrogens per 1 oxygen, 66%!
  • Carbohydrates: same story
  • Fats: a LOT of hydrogen
  • Proteins: yep, lots of hydrogen!
  • Vitamins: same

Most organic molecules feature a lot of hydrogen that essentially serves as a placeholder for all the free bonds of carbon (and there is plenty!), oxygen, and nitrogen. Hydrogen is essentially the default thing to connect to about any organic molecule. And yes, it is primarily taken from water in the grand scheme of things.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

To expand on that, hydrogen is just lone protons. Some of those protons pick up an electron, but if it's a proton, it's hydrogen. And considering that nuclear fusion is hard^[citation needed]^, it makes sense that one of the most common things to attach to other atoms would just be the smallest, most abundant, and most simple kind of atom out there.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Well there's usually an electron orbiting it...and sometimes it's even stuck to a neutron.

You had me wondering if "hydrogen" was just the name we've given a rogue proton.

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 2 points 6 months ago

An H+ ion is a rogue proton. I've heard a physicist say before that she always would forget this fact.

[–] Gingerlegs@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Explains why I feel so tired. Ive literally been here since the beginning of time

[–] higgsboson@dubvee.org 6 points 6 months ago

I'm not even supposed to be here today.

[–] Gigan@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Given enough time, Hydrogen will begin to wonder where it came from, and where it is going.

[–] numberfour002@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

If it hadn't been for hydrogen, oh. I'd been married long time ago. Where did you come from, where did you go? Where did you come from hydrogen, oh.

[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

No wonder I'm so fucking tired

[–] match@pawb.social 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

some radiation produces proton emission, so maybe not all of them are that old

[–] TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

I was gonna say the same

[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Explains the knee and back pain.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)
[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Unrelated to the topic:

Is the aim of CC "..." text at the botton to prevent ai from using your comments or something? (I'm trying to understand.)

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I get the sentiment but wouldn’t you WANT an AI to be trained on your own words? That would make the AI more favorable to your points of view. By self-censoring you effectively let everyone else in the world decide the direction AI goes.

[–] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Some people don't want their intellectual property packaged in a paid system without getting paid themselves.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

Unrelated to the topic:

Is the aim of CC “…” text at the botton to prevent ai from using your comments or something? (I’m trying to understand.)

In theory, yes. I realize it probably won't work, but it's a momentary copy and paste, so it's a low hanging fruit to give it a try, just in case it does work.

~Anti~ ~Commercial-AI~ ~license~ ~(CC~ ~BY-NC-SA~ ~4.0)~

[–] Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Ahah you blundering fool, I’m going to add that comment directly into my AI because you did not provoke the magical spell to stop me.

[–] CosmicCleric@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)
[–] BlastboomStrice@mander.xyz 2 points 6 months ago

I see, I see, tnx

[–] match@pawb.social 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

The terms of that license seem like a non-commercial AI would be just fine to use it, is that not intended?

[–] SolOrion@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Is anyone making non-commercial AI? Is that actually an issue?

[–] match@pawb.social 2 points 6 months ago

I have but I'm not an issue, I just have issues 😎

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[–] profdc9@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Hydrogen is an electron and proton. I am guessing that most protons have been fully ionized many times since the beginning of the universe, thus not being complete intact atoms. Checkmate scientists!

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