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[–] unwellsnail@sopuli.xyz 119 points 1 year ago (46 children)

Posting what I said on this in another thread-

So, this decision is really bad for reasons that go beyond sick workers. It’s really unpopular to mention but COVID isn’t over, it’s not gone. We just normalized the suffering and shunted the most vulnerable into its path. As one of those vulnerables still trying to survive, masking has been an exhausting situation. I mask, I have to, and antimask sentiment makes it hard to operate in a world that already wishes I wouldn’t. Decisions like this cause harm in wider ways. I wrote an email to In-N-Out Owner/President Lynsi Snyder about this in response to this policy. I don’t think she cares what this policy does, but I’m sharing here for others who may want to understand.

I’m writing to ask you to please reverse your recent decision to ban employees from wearing a mask unless medically exempt. This decision shows not only a complete disregard for the health and safety of your employees and customers, as everyone is affected by disease spread, but is also profoundly ableist and lacking an understanding of current (and historic) context. Requiring employees to not only divulge their medical information to their employers but also openly to the public is a mindset rooted in othering people who are disabled or otherwise medically vulnerable. In general, it’s bad when a marginalized group must publicly declare their status as such, but especially now when people are already struggling to survive an ongoing pandemic amidst the hostility of antimask sentiment. This decision furthers that othering and hostility, making those employees into targets. But this decision doesn’t just impact your employees directly, it feeds into that larger cultural antimask sentiment and perpetuates ableism. This lack of understanding of the impact of your decision is a clear message that it’s not just those employees your company does not value, but all disabled and vulnerable people. Please show your abity to learn and understand the impacts of your decision, as well as your disapproval of ableism, and reverse this decision. Further, I urge you to demonstrate actual value for your employees and customers by adapting to our reality and implementing measures to reduce the spread of covid and other pathogens in your restaurants and other workplaces. This can be achieved through simple measures like improving the ventilation and filtration in buildings, improving sick leave policies, and other actions including, yes, masking by employees.

Thank you Xxx

PS This company push to ignore our current reality and new cultural understanding of disease spread is not just callous, it’s boring. Be better.

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[–] morgan_423@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago

As someone living on the East Coast who is never within 2,000 miles of an In n Out Burger, I'll continue to do my part.

[–] unconsciousvoidling@lemmy.one 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Next they’ll be like …. No employees are allowed to wash their hands… hand washing is woke.

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[–] downpunxx@kbin.social 43 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Love the In N Out double double, it's tastier, and cheaper than McDonalds, but I won't be going back to In N Out again, as forcing employees to be less comfortable and less safe in their working environment, one which necessitates them dealing literally face to face with a mostly uncaring unsafe unhealthy public is the line I draw in the sand. I still choose to wear my mask in public places like retail stores, because COVID is still very real. Everyone should be able to make their own choices, and stripping this right from an employee is not something I want to support with my patronage.

[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I still choose to wear my mask in public places like retail stores, because COVID is still very real.

I still wear a mask in stores, but it's mainly because I don't want to breath in whatever is flaking off the 400+ pound man in stained pajamas waddling around the Walmart. A lower chance of spreading or catching COVID is just gravy IMO.

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[–] mrbubblesort@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is bassakwards. Forget covid, all cooks should be required to wear a mask while in a kitchen for the same reasons they're wear hair nets and we have sneeze guards on salad bars. I don't want some cook coughing on my burger.

[–] GreenCrush@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah exactly. Why more people haven't taken COVID as an opportunity to learn that spitting germs out of your mouth on food is gross, is beyond me.

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[–] ConfirmingMoose@reddthat.com 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People smiled with their eyes so much more during the COVIDs.

It is obvious when someone with a mask on is smiling.

[–] 70ms@lemmy.sdf.org 32 points 1 year ago

We have very elderly mothers, and sisters with cancer, so my family still masks. I smile at people all the time, they smile back, everyone goes away feeling good. I don't understand how some people get so worked up over masks. 🤦‍♀️

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

The obvious take away is they dont want to see people smiling because they like seeing happy people.

They like to see smiles because it makes themselves happy to see smiles.

It's ridiculously selfish even if you ignore that you're putting everyone's health at risk

[–] Hello_there@kbin.social 41 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Fuck you if your spouse or parents are going thru chemo, huh?

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[–] GentlemanLoser@reddthat.com 31 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Are they also banned from wearing gloves while handling my food?

Anyway, Five Guys >

[–] asparagus9001@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

it's like 17 dollars for a "small combo" at five guys and yes I know it's a lot of food but 1) reports are they aren't doing the whole-bag-full-of-fries thing anymore and 2) you can come out ahead and probably get something as good or better at a bar

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[–] GortexGary@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

This is why we NEED worker's unions. They can fight this corporate power bullshit.

[–] negativeyoda@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In N Out is okay. I'll never understand the cult following this place has. It's literally a case study in manufactured scarcity.

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[–] TwoGems@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)
[–] Hypersapien@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

It's never going to be gone, specifically because of people like this.

Just like the flu never went away after the 1918 pandemic, again, because of people like to this.

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[–] thorbot@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago

I will fight the urge to drive 635 miles to my nearest In-N-Out because of this.

[–] nOvA_NoVa@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Literally why?! This is so fuckin stupid.

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[–] CloverSi@lemmy.comfysnug.space 23 points 1 year ago

This doesn't really seem like the right community to post this. Maybe try a news community, like !news@lemmy.world? (I think I linked that right)

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Boycott all fast food, it's a plague on society.

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[–] Today@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I quit going there recently after reading that most of their meat comes from a place that is so bad it's nicknamed Cowschwitz.

[–] SocializedHermit@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Its bad even getting close to Cowshwitz. The air is kind of green as you get close to it on the 5, all of a sudden you remember it's there and try desperately to roll up windows or shut down the airflow in the car. In the end, it doesn't help.

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[–] Capricorny90210@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (13 children)

There are none within a few hundred miles of me so .. I'm doing my part?

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[–] colourlesspony@pawb.social 15 points 1 year ago

That's stupid. You want people handling your food to wear masks. At a minimum masks keep most of the boogers and nose hairs from landing on your food.

[–] mrpibb@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

I like In-N-Out's food okay. What I really like is their simple menu. It's the only fast food my family eats because they can do gluten free safely. The owners are definitely conservative and christian (and weirdly so imo) but those freaks know how to run a well-functioning restaurant. The mask ban is obviously stupid but I won't boycott over it. Sucks for the workers, but also In-N-Out pays better and appears to treat their staff much better than your typical fast food joint. I'd hate to see those jobs shifted over to something like another McDonald's, for example.

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[–] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Am I mistaken or aren't they also major republican donors too?

[–] Grimfelion@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

I mean… they have Bible verses printed on their cups and fry containers and what not… I worked for them back in the day and the founders were 100% what you’d imagine when you think of rich white SoCal conservatives… this saddened me but didn’t surprise me at all… and honestly, until I saw this headline I’d root for them 100% because they treat their employees well, pay well, and promote from within. As a company to work for (this decision excluded) they are pretty damn great.

Although I’d like to offer an alternative to the conservative COVID denial option, which is they are very old school… I could totally see a couple of boomers deciding customer service (smiling at your customers like a cheesy training video from the 80s) is more important than health concerns.

[–] QuestioningEspecialy@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Tried looking them up on goodsuniteus.com, but they don't have 'em.
Fortunately, OpenSecrets' got 'em: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/in-n-out-burger/summary?id=D000072295

edit, 'cause I can't help myself...

Congressional Leadership Fund (C/R)

  • Total: $750,000
  • From Individuals: $0
  • From PACs: $750,000
  • Type: Carey

Walker, Herschel (C/R)

  • Total: $2,910
  • From Individuals: $2,910
  • From PACs: $0
  • Type: Candidate (R-GAS2)

Republican National Cmte (C/R)

  • Total: $2,000
  • From Individuals: $2,000
  • From PACs: $0
  • Type: Political Party

National Republican Congressional Cmte (C/R)

  • Total: $1,540
  • From Individuals: $1,540
  • From PACs: $0
  • Type: Political Party

National Republican Senatorial Cmte (C/R)

  • Total: $600
  • From Individuals: $600
  • From PACs: $0
  • Type: Political Party

Libertarian National Cmte (No View)

  • Total: $459
  • From Individuals: $459
  • From PACs: $0
  • Type: Political Party

Sanders, Bernie (No View)

  • Total: $200
  • From Individuals: $200
  • From PACs: $0
  • Type: Candidate (I-VTS1)

Trump, Donald (C/R)

  • Total: $192
  • From Individuals: $192
  • From PACs: $0
  • Type: Candidate (R-PRES)

Warren, Elizabeth (L/D)

  • Total: $75
  • From Individuals: $75
  • From PACs: $0
  • Type: Candidate (D-MAS1)

Harshbarger, Diana (C/R)

  • Total: $5
  • From Individuals: $5
  • From PACs: $0
  • Type: Candidate (R-TN01)
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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.one 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

TIL - In N Out operates in more states than just CA and OR.

Which states?

Edit: Arizona, Colorado, Nevada, Texas and Utah.

Source: https://www.npr.org/2023/07/19/1188706519/in-n-out-burger-bans-employees-from-wearing-masks

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[–] alliwantsoda@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Here is the paywall-free version: https://archive.ph/fBFRe

[–] QuestioningEspecialy@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

In-N-Out bans employees from wearing masks

wut

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[–] swan@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

There’s none in Canada so I’m doing my part!

[–] foggy@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

They're mediocre AF anyways.

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