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BYD is kicking off a price war with gas-powered cars as new lower-priced electric vehicles begin rolling out. After launching the new Qin Plus EV Honor Edition on Monday, BYD said it’s “officially opening a new era of electricity is lower than oil.”

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[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 58 points 8 months ago (4 children)

BYD is coming on fierce. Other car makers ought to be very afraid right now. $15K is cheaper than most gas vehicles. That’s … compelling to say the least.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 20 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Mind you, that's the price in China. By the time they bring those to the US or Europe, that price usually doubles.

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Still, $30K … still compelling.

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 4 points 8 months ago

But not really cheaper than a cheap ICE car. It will be interesting to watch how their pricing works out in the end.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

No way that can release one here in the US for the same price as a 10 year old Camry. Unless the Chinese government is going to pay for 1/2 the cost of the car, we aren't going to see brand new vehicles selling for $15k.

[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago

Even at $15K or $20K, they would be underselling most new EV and ICE models. They're already looking at opening plants in Mexico: https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/chinas-byd-plans-new-electric-vehicle-plant-mexico-says-nikkei-2024-02-13/

If the U.S. changes trade rules, they'll just do what Japanese, S. Korean, and European countries did back in the 80s and start U.S. subsidiaries.

[–] pop@lemmy.ml 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That's a you problem. The parent comment doesn't even mention US and it is not the center of the universe. China is one of the top polluter currently, and if they alone phase out ICE cars, it would be a net benefit for the world (if they use renewables).

Not everything has to reach the US to be considered "cheap". Western news mentioning USD doesn't mean the company is looking for people in US specifically to buy it. Same as not everyone buying Tesla gets it in local prices abroad.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This announcement coincides with BYD announcing they're building a plant in Mexico likely targeting the US market, and them running sponsored english articles talking about how they're beating companies like Tesla in order to drum up demand in the US.

Also I wouldn't be so sure about this reducing pollution in China as these cars are being discarded like outdated iPhones. https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-china-ev-graveyards/

[–] CraigeryTheKid@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We're seeing that across my commodity chemical market prices too. The prices China offers seem... literally impossible. We are almost certain that China is paying either all the capital for the infrastructure, or just subsidizing 10x harder than we (US/EU) do.

[–] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 0 points 8 months ago

I witnessed them do the same with photovoltaic cells a decade ago which lead to my wife's employer shutting down their US manufacturing facility to send it overseas. Nobody could compete with their subsidized solar panels.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

When they start selling in the US, the destruction of legacy manufacturers will be worse the the 1970s small car invasion

[–] QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I believe it. We need reliable infrastructure for this revolution now.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Qin Plus EV Honor Edition

Christ

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 14 points 8 months ago

Number One, sexy time, best EV high class, five star.

[–] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 5 points 8 months ago
[–] fubarx@lemmy.ml 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

If the entry model came to the US, it could become the Ford Taurus or Toyota Camry of electrics. But the charging infrastructure would need to build up massively to be able to support that kind of volume.

The fact that they're hitting both low end and high end (plus everything in between) should be massively concerning to every car company.

[–] Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Should we be rooting for or against this company. I'm all for competition, but Elon Musk has made me lose faith in any car company.

[–] Opafi@feddit.de 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Rooting for any company is always a bad idea. Companies are never your friend. They'll always put profits first - way before ethics, values or even laws or common sense. Don't trust them, don't depend on them and especially don't root for them.

[–] ProfessorProteus@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Hear hear! This is one of the few black-and-white things in life. Every little thing a company does (or says) is meant for the betterment of their next quarterly report.

No matter how much a company says they "stand with" anyone, regardless of the popularity of the cause, their goal is to look better and convince more people that only they offer truly ethical consumption.

To be fair, I enjoy spectating any and all drama between the corps. However, in the immortal words of a shitty sci-fi movie poster: Whoever wins, we lose.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Personally I root against basically any Chinese company by principle.

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Don't worry, they will pay politicians to make it illegal for them to sell here.

[–] bartolomeo@suppo.fi 1 points 8 months ago

Just like they did with Tesla at first.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Starting at 420 km range, that's actually pretty impressive. We might be looking at a tipping point here for electric cars.

[–] PuddingFeeling907@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

Holy Jesus. The 2025 prediction is here early for certain markets.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 12 points 8 months ago

Meanwhile in the US the entire automatic industry are keeping prices of EVs higher than crap and also eliminating their affordable car lines.

[–] M500@lemmy.ml 8 points 8 months ago

I’m not in the US but have been waiting for these cars to make their way here. We already have other cars by Chinese companies and I just saw my first one today.

I’ve curious about their pricing. Hopefully they are cheap here too.

Sadly, I don’t have a way to charge an electric car at my condo.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

Parts count on EVs is an order of magnitude less than combustion. They should scale for batteries and motors with the price being an order of magnitude less expensive to build them. The foundry, machining, and precision parts of combustion are massive operations.

The real problem is that military tech relies on the same supply chain and EV's don't handle battle quite like combustion. So what does the USA do? Pretend that this is not the real issue and build luxury EV's instead because the scale will still follow the lower end.

Mark my words, until you see most military vehicles going electric, we won't see low cost mass produced EV's. It has nothing to do with what is best for any of us. It has everything to do with exploitation and killing people abroad over petty nonsense for the most part.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago

I checked on https://prod.byd.com/en-sa we don't have it here yet, I'd buy it