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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by TiredSpider to c/anarchism

This was written by anarchist survivors of sexual violence and abuse. It digs into the different approaches to deal with serious harm with the goal of not recreating the same oppressive systems of state “justice”.

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[-] perestroika 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

My take: a society that intends to function witout a prison system and police force, must obviously place its main bet on prevention. Every time a person doesn't attack another person, a cop isn't needed.

However, even if incident rates can be brought low, violence will probably not disappear - so even an anarchist society would need procedures for dealing with crime. Some guesses:

  • Instead of a permanent class of cops, people might rotate through guard duty; some percent of people might have the education required to investigate crime, but to prevent the potential for a repressive system, they might get called up randomly for brief periods of time (nobody should be a fulltime cop or judge).

  • The emergency response system could be supplemented by a decentralized system of the nearest qualified person responding. Responding to a fire without a fire truck may be not very effective, so obviously one would keep fire depots. Responding to illness without an ambulance could be ineffective, so emergency rooms would probably still exist. However, for a first response to individual violence, not much is needed - a random person with functioning self-control, ability to gather information and reason, a means of communication, a can of pepper, a flak vest and a gun is actually more than typically required. Ensuring impartial response would be the tricky part - a local person might be the quickest to arrive but not impartial enough to investigate. For stopping violence, I believe that locals would be a great choice, though. Not inclined to gun anyone down.

  • Investigating what happened might go a bit differently, with more than one institution gathering evidence. There might be less distinction between a civil complaint and a criminal case. Alternative courts might overlap in juristiction and recognize each other by establishing alliances. There might be no hardcoded law. Establishing what truly happened beyond reasonable doubt would probably still happen, though.

  • Finding a person who tries to evade justice might work differently. Instead of few people having great powers of surveillance, in anarchy a lot of people would have limited powers of surveillance. It might resemble InterPol procedures ("you receive a warrant -> you check that it wasn't sent by crazy authoritarians -> you check if the crime is considered a crime locally -> if OK, you proceed with searching for the person"). In anarchy, a person could evade justice considerably longer and more persistently, at the cost of moving, losing their network of trust and becoming an outcast.

  • Resolution of the crime would likely differ. A guess: local community would help and compensate harm to the victim (or in case of deadly crime, look after people close to the victim). Meanwhile the criminal might be required to compensate to the wider public, undergoing training or treatment, making themselves useful to a greater degree than usual and thus demonstrating that they can reform themselves. If the victim doesn't agree or the criminal doesn't follow through - there might be a default judgement in store: the criminal might be expelled, communities in the region might be notified of the expelled person and their crime, and the judging community might declare that it will defend and harbour the first person who takes proportional retribution.

[-] poVoq 2 points 11 months ago

Instead of a permanent class of cops, people might rotate through guard duty; some percent of people might have the education required to investigate crime, but to prevent the potential for a repressive system, they might get called up randomly for brief periods of time (nobody should be a fulltime cop or judge).

Often you need people sufficiently trained in dealing this such situations though. One proposal I have seen is to have "professionals" but always have them accompanied by a layperson as a civil duty who can over-rule decisions and can act as a witness (unlike a body cam that is nearly always suspiciously out of battery or turned off when police abuse happens).

[-] Hillock@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I read through it with an as open mind as possible. I agree that the current justice system is lacking in some aspects, especially the focus on punishing crime rather than helping the victim or preventing further crime. But I quickly lost any faith in the system proposed in the first part.

The AT acknowledged that Tom's intention and experience might be different than Diane's.

The AT had clear goals for Tom, i.e., that he admit to rape

These two things don't add up. How can a "neutral" mediator have the goal for one of the parties to confess to something? I already have issues with the concept of survivors being involved in the process of who gets selected in the AT but I could somehow understand it. It makes sense that in a process that focuses on the survivor's healing, the survivor should trust the mediators involved. And I can understand that forming a non-authoritative mediator is a challenge. And the process of selecting the team seemed to be as genuine of an attempt at forming a good council as it gets. But mixing the victim selecting the council, and having the council's goal to get a confession is a system bound for disaster and abuse.

But how can any 'perpetrator' enter the process if the only way to resolve it is to admit to the allegations? That sounds more like the Spanish Inquisition than an Accountability Team.

Yes, the document goes into this issue a bit later on but has no solution to it. Heck, it even suggests group vigilantism as a valid solution. I understand that a group with 0 authoritative institutions or persons has a difficult time dealing with troublemakers. But I don't think we need to further explain why vigilantism doesn't work.

[-] TiredSpider 4 points 11 months ago

you bring up good points, thank you for sharing them. I'll post more literature on the topic once I read through more but I thought this was a good start.

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