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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 28 points 7 months ago (1 children)

My company bills 1h of my time to clients at roughly what I make in almost a week.

[–] jaschen@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Toyota executives was greedy and didn't continue paying their workers fairly and now they are unionizing. They fucked around. Here comes the finding out.

[–] red@sopuli.xyz 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's so weird to see this. Where I live, unions are a default. It should become the norm everywhere, not just in northern Europe.

[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.de 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

In which country of Western, Central or Southern Europe are unions not a default? Don't know about Eastern Europe.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

Thatcher killed most unions in the UK, though in the past few years there has been a slow resurgence.

[–] red@sopuli.xyz 1 points 7 months ago

Not sure, but I do know the union stuff is very prominent in Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

This is basically worker alienation that Marx talks about in Estranged Labour.

[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

While everyone should be able to afford basic necessities like a vehicle and wages need to be increased across the board, the title is weird. You can work at a factory making a thing you can't afford and not have much of a problem with that. "I build cruise liners for a living. I can't afford to buy one." would be a strange statement.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Is this video about something only large corporations can afford, or is it about something that is necessary for lots of families to have and seen as normal to buy?

[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Please reread my first sentence.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

How does that make your bad argument better?

You say people should be able to afford necessities. Then you compare buying a car to buying a cruise ship. One is a necessity to many people, one is completely unrelated to people.

Yes the argument makes no sense when you change the subject completely.

[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

A car is a necessity, nobody is denying that and I state as much. To be clear, I think people should be able to afford cars. I just don't think it's weird to work at a factory where you make luxury items more expensive than the average person can afford.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Ok, so we can say in plain terms: a person working in a factory should be able to afford **buying a car**.

[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Yep, and I think that would have been a better title.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It's alright, I'm willing to just take the L on this one. I just thought the title was inferring something that it seems some people don't.

[–] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago

I...uh...don't know how to respond to this. It's never happened before.

But for real, though. Thank you for engaging in good faith and being amiable.

[–] Kornblumenratte@feddit.de 1 points 7 months ago

A car shouldn't be a necessity. public transport, short transfers, walkable cities and all that. But I agree – it is a necessity, sadly.

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Mate, come on. He makes Toyotas, not super yachts. I think you're missing the point.

I don't think his view here is "anything that I have a hand in manufacturing, I should be able to afford".

That's not the point of this video, and it's not the mindset that anybody is espousing.

[–] alilbee@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

As I said in another reply, fair enough. I just read it in a way that inferred something it seems other people didn't.

[–] AGD4@programming.dev -1 points 7 months ago (2 children)

at 0:05: "I totaled a car last week and I can't afford to replace it". I feel like there is a bit of undue entitlement in that statement. Should any worker be able to comfortably replace a car that they destroyed?

I have no love for Toyota or any other mega corp, and I think the bigger issue in this article is the very first statement in the interview: "I spent three and a half years building cars and I can't afford a home yet". That is a big problem, but I wouldn't attribute that to greedy corporate employers exclusively.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't attribute that to greedy corporate employers exclusively.

I would, maybe not exclusively but have you seen how much the investor class profit and hoard?

[–] AGD4@programming.dev 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I would

But not exclusively.

You can point the finger to individual and foreign investors, but also to government policies (or lack thereof) that make that possible.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

governments are on investors' pockets too and i think this is the biggest problem