Mmmmmm how about the nations and companies who profited the most off of it?
Yes, we are looking at you, BP.
this post was submitted on 25 Sep 2023
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I'm norwegian and I support this message. We grew our riches by extracting luxurious poison from the earth, intoxicating the world. It's time for rehab
On the other hand, if countries like UK didn't have the consumption demand to buy these resources there'd be less environmental damage because of less extraction.
No, no it's their fault for making it. Just like Africa should of never of had all those juicy natural resources and available slaves. It was their fault.
Never Have had
Most of the slaves were captured by Africans in wars fought for slaves. European slave raids happend, but mostly Europeans just bought the slaves from African leaders. That is one of the reasons Africa is so fragmanted today. As more local power mean more potential targets to raid and the smaller you are the less you have to share the wealth from the slave trade.
I strongly, strongly suggest you revisit some of the preconceptions that led you here. I was going to instinctually retort, but instead took 5 minutes to read the relevant Wikipedia article on the topic: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa#West_Africa. It is clear that the topic is more nuanced than I originally thought, so thank you for bringing that to my attention, but it's a crude and broad brush to imply that most slaves already existed in slavery prior to the Atlantic trade. There is also a significant difference between slaves in Africa who were exchanged between local groups in a wholly African context, versus slaves chained up and flung across the Atlantic with a 12% mortality rate and forced under a European slavery conception.
I suspect your response has rubbed others the wrong way, as it did myself, so consider this an attempt to find a common ground for dialogue - whatever the history of Africs prior to the Atlantic Slave Trade, I think we can agree that what happened was utterly grotesque and an atrocity upon the history of our common humanity.
I strongly suggest for anybody who has a problem with what I said to actually just read the Wikipedia article about the Atlantic slave trade. Litterally the second sentence of the article is:
The vast majority of those who were transported in the transatlantic slave trade were people from Central and West Africa who had been sold by West African slave traders to mainly Portuguese, British, Spanish, Dutch, and French slave traders.
Obviously this is a dark chapter in human history, which makes it even more necessary to say the truth about it, as to not repeat it. Also really important is to read the part about what Africans did know about the slave trade, which was more then you seem to believe..
I hope you read it, as only the truth can help prevent something like this to happen again.
I have a feeling nations like Saudi Arabia, Russia, and America won't warmly embrace a British exPM's idea for a tax on one of their greatest resources to subsidize foreign nations. Especially when it's framed as their reparations for harming the world.
The. British are also silent when it comes to paying reparations for their own misdeeds overseas, which unfortunately strips this statement of credibility.
I found this quote from him pretty rich because of that:
"These producer states have done literally nothing to earn this unprecedented windfall. It represents one of the biggest ever transfers of wealth from poor to rich nations."
Colonialist hubris at its most egregious. I bet he thinks England "earned" its colonies too.
We complain about the countries that extract the oil and the countries that burn it to make products, but ignore the fact that they do it for us…
You won’t ever see politicians telling individual people to stop buying so much crap though, because that’s their right and it would hurt the economy…
They've spent millions to keep us dependent on oil and killed innovative projects, they should pay a tax
Lets look at the Big Oil companies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajor:
- ExxonMobil formerly Standard Oil Company of New Jersey
- Shell plc formerly Royal Dutch Shell plc
- TotalEnergies formerly Compagnie française des pétroles
- British Petroleum
- Chevron formerly Standard Oil Company of California
- Marathon Petroleum formerly The Ohio Oil Company
- Phillips 66 founded in Oklahoma now HQs in Houston Texas
- Valero , named after Mission San Antonio de Valero aka Alamo Texas
- Eni - Ente Nazionale Idrocarburi founded and owned by a third by the Italian state
- ConocoPhillips founded in Utah, HQs now in Houston Texas
Which of these companies is Arabian, Persian, African or South American?
All i can see is US Americans and Europeans, predominantly Englishmen and their descendents.
They're just listing western firms which aren't controlled by governments/royalty
- Aramco
- ADNOC
- Kuwait National Peroleum Company
Are all big and what he's talking about
The biggest oil producers in 2019 were:
- Saudi Aramco(Saudi Arabia)
- Rosneft(Russia)
- KPC(Kuwait)
- NIOC(Iran)
- CNPC(China)
- ExxonMobil(USA)
- Petrobras(Brazil)
- ADNOC(UAE)
- Cehvron(USA)
- Pemex(Mexico)
https://www.offshore-technology.com/features/companies-by-oil-production/?cf-view
So one European with Rosneft and two US American with ExxonMobil and Chevron.
The use of the term in the popular media often excludes the national producers and OPEC oil companies who have a much greater global role in setting prices than the supermajors.
But yes, the USA does produce more oil than Saudi Arabia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production
So if BP drills oil in Saudi Arabia and then sells it in, say, Egypt, do you think the UK makes money from that because the company has "British" in its name?
Since many stockholders are british, and the company has its headquarters in London, yes of course.
But my argument is also historical, where many of the oil fields in Saudi Arabia used to be operated by western oil companies. The Wahhabi fundamentalists were brought into power by the British and Americans to make the access to oil easier for them, Iran was couped by the CIA for western Oil access etc.
Blaming the countries where oil is exploited for the fossil society that was built and is maintained by western countries is cynical and hypocritical.
But my argument is also historical, where many of the oil fields in Saudi Arabia used to be operated by western oil companies. The Wahhabi fundamentalists were brought into power by the British and Americans to make the access to oil easier for them, Iran was couped by the CIA for western Oil access etc.
Blaming the countries where oil is exploited for the fossil society that was built and is maintained by western countries is cynical and hypocritical.
And thats exactly the excuse these people will use to pass the blame, when today, right now, its those countries that are in control of it and have profited BY FAR the most from it. So I really dont think its cynical to say that the people that profit from the fossil fuel industry should pay for climate change. Really thats the message climate activists have been saying for many years. Its just Gordon Brown is pointing out who those people are.
Shouldn't the consumers of oil be donating instead?
After all, it's our fault those nations are drilling up dinosaur juice.
What happens to the gargantuan amounts of petrol tax collected by the UK government every year?