Climate - truthful information about climate, related activism and politics.

5394 readers

200 users here now

Discussion of climate, how it is changing, activism around that, the politics, and the energy systems change we need in order to stabilize things.

As a starting point, the burning of fossil fuels, and to a lesser extent deforestation and release of methane are responsible for the warming in recent decades: Graph of temperature as observed with significant warming, and simulated without added greenhouse gases and other anthropogentic changes, which shows no significant warming

How much each change to the atmosphere has warmed the world:

Anti-science, inactivism, and unsupported conspiracy theories are not ok here.

founded 2 years ago

MODERATORS

silence7

197

Richest oil states should pay climate tax, says former UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown (www.bbc.com)

submitted 1 year ago by silence7 to c/climate

22 comments fedilink hide all child comments

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] MrMakabar -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most of the slaves were captured by Africans in wars fought for slaves. European slave raids happend, but mostly Europeans just bought the slaves from African leaders. That is one of the reasons Africa is so fragmanted today. As more local power mean more potential targets to raid and the smaller you are the less you have to share the wealth from the slave trade.

[–] Benj1B@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I strongly, strongly suggest you revisit some of the preconceptions that led you here. I was going to instinctually retort, but instead took 5 minutes to read the relevant Wikipedia article on the topic: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa#West_Africa. It is clear that the topic is more nuanced than I originally thought, so thank you for bringing that to my attention, but it's a crude and broad brush to imply that most slaves already existed in slavery prior to the Atlantic trade. There is also a significant difference between slaves in Africa who were exchanged between local groups in a wholly African context, versus slaves chained up and flung across the Atlantic with a 12% mortality rate and forced under a European slavery conception.

I suspect your response has rubbed others the wrong way, as it did myself, so consider this an attempt to find a common ground for dialogue - whatever the history of Africs prior to the Atlantic Slave Trade, I think we can agree that what happened was utterly grotesque and an atrocity upon the history of our common humanity.

[–] MrMakabar 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I strongly suggest for anybody who has a problem with what I said to actually just read the Wikipedia article about the Atlantic slave trade. Litterally the second sentence of the article is:

The vast majority of those who were transported in the transatlantic slave trade were people from Central and West Africa who had been sold by West African slave traders to mainly Portuguese, British, Spanish, Dutch, and French slave traders.

Obviously this is a dark chapter in human history, which makes it even more necessary to say the truth about it, as to not repeat it. Also really important is to read the part about what Africans did know about the slave trade, which was more then you seem to believe..

I hope you read it, as only the truth can help prevent something like this to happen again.