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Richest oil states should pay climate tax, says former UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown (www.bbc.com)
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[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Lets look at the Big Oil companies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supermajor:

  • ExxonMobil formerly Standard Oil Company of New Jersey
  • Shell plc formerly Royal Dutch Shell plc
  • TotalEnergies formerly Compagnie française des pétroles
  • British Petroleum
  • Chevron formerly Standard Oil Company of California
  • Marathon Petroleum formerly The Ohio Oil Company
  • Phillips 66 founded in Oklahoma now HQs in Houston Texas
  • Valero , named after Mission San Antonio de Valero aka Alamo Texas
  • Eni - Ente Nazionale Idrocarburi founded and owned by a third by the Italian state
  • ConocoPhillips founded in Utah, HQs now in Houston Texas

Which of these companies is Arabian, Persian, African or South American?

All i can see is US Americans and Europeans, predominantly Englishmen and their descendents.

[–] silence7 5 points 1 year ago

They're just listing western firms which aren't controlled by governments/royalty

  • Aramco
  • ADNOC
  • Kuwait National Peroleum Company

Are all big and what he's talking about

[–] MrMakabar 4 points 1 year ago

The biggest oil producers in 2019 were:

  1. Saudi Aramco(Saudi Arabia)
  2. Rosneft(Russia)
  3. KPC(Kuwait)
  4. NIOC(Iran)
  5. CNPC(China)
  6. ExxonMobil(USA)
  7. Petrobras(Brazil)
  8. ADNOC(UAE)
  9. Cehvron(USA)
  10. Pemex(Mexico)

https://www.offshore-technology.com/features/companies-by-oil-production/?cf-view

So one European with Rosneft and two US American with ExxonMobil and Chevron.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago

The use of the term in the popular media often excludes the national producers and OPEC oil companies who have a much greater global role in setting prices than the supermajors.

But yes, the USA does produce more oil than Saudi Arabia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_production

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So if BP drills oil in Saudi Arabia and then sells it in, say, Egypt, do you think the UK makes money from that because the company has "British" in its name?

[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since many stockholders are british, and the company has its headquarters in London, yes of course.

But my argument is also historical, where many of the oil fields in Saudi Arabia used to be operated by western oil companies. The Wahhabi fundamentalists were brought into power by the British and Americans to make the access to oil easier for them, Iran was couped by the CIA for western Oil access etc.

Blaming the countries where oil is exploited for the fossil society that was built and is maintained by western countries is cynical and hypocritical.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

But my argument is also historical, where many of the oil fields in Saudi Arabia used to be operated by western oil companies. The Wahhabi fundamentalists were brought into power by the British and Americans to make the access to oil easier for them, Iran was couped by the CIA for western Oil access etc.

Blaming the countries where oil is exploited for the fossil society that was built and is maintained by western countries is cynical and hypocritical.

And thats exactly the excuse these people will use to pass the blame, when today, right now, its those countries that are in control of it and have profited BY FAR the most from it. So I really dont think its cynical to say that the people that profit from the fossil fuel industry should pay for climate change. Really thats the message climate activists have been saying for many years. Its just Gordon Brown is pointing out who those people are.