im ok with the federation not growing. It feels like the days of the alt newsgroups and I find it cozy. im not against it im just not rah rah gotta get more.
this post was submitted on 19 Dec 2024
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What are you on about with a war? Fuck reddit lol
Also, reddit is a great shit magnet, let's leave that in place so they don't come here.
I wasn't aware Lemmy was competing with Reddit.
What war? And I'm pretty fine with much of the people on reddit staying there. They're a good part of why I came here.
What war? Dafuq are you talking about?
I left Reddit because I strongly dislike what it’s become. This place is better. Why should I want it to be more like Reddit?
Platform growth does not matter here. We legitimately do not give a shit. The fediverse, in entirety, is not now, and never will be, beholden to shareholders, because of the very nature of its OSS underpinnings. We will grow organically, or not, and it will be fine. We don’t need a huge influx of users. In fact, a huge influx of users would kinda suck for a lot of admins, because it would cause a HUGE spike in OpEx, and potentially necessitate the purchase of more infrastructure, which admins probably wouldn’t love.
We will grow organically, or not, and it will be fine.
I think that's pretty much settled by now. Judging by the stats, the graph has homed in on a steady line of 45k monthly active users. And there hasn't been any movement for some time now. It's going to be the "or not" part.
This time last year there was around 38k active users.
I think this kind of slow growth is fine. We just need enough influx to replace people who naturally leave, and maybe a bit more. We don't have any CEOs or stockholders demanding exponential growth.
But it's peaked this March, and we're in constant decline since then. We're losing a few hundred users each month, not growing.
Most Lemmy users and the developers say they prefer slow growth... I mean you're right. My point is just, it does look more like active decline. And I'm not sure if that's healthy.
IIRC the March peak was another case in which Reddit did something stupid... So yeah, I agree that we can't just rely on that, at some point they're going to make it impossible to advertise the fediverse there.
I don't think Lemmy folks care about Reddit. Maybe also vice versa. You can't have a war if there isn't any conflict.
B--b--b--bingo!
It's all about awareness, people have to know there's an alternative before they can switch.
I didn't know lemmy existed until I went searching for a reddit alternative.
Soooo... what? Buy ads on reddit? LOL.
I find it hard to believe that those communities don't allow most new posts. Are you sure it's not a you thing?
Most subreddits have a karma barrier where brand new accounts can't post. It's shitty, but it helps prevent bots.
We need Reddit to quarantine the assholes
My thoughts, too. Have you seen Reddit's new users? I don't want them and their made up stories or highschool love-triangle r/relationship advice crap anywhere near here
Let the masses fuckimg burn. Too many people make things shitty. Bubye reddit.
Imo:
- Create more active communities NOT centered around politics or Linux. I swear there's more things to talk about
- Stop berating people who use consumer electronics like Android or iPhones
- Get the word out, basically no one knows about Lemmy
Create more active communities NOT centered around politics or Linux. I swear there’s more things to talk about
Hey! We also have memes!
But yeah, I what I do is subscribe to every non-politics and non-tech community I can find and read through those first, then when I run out I just read "all".
Maybe get a good modern meme community going. Somewhere where mods remove junk posts like screenshots.
By and large the posters/commenters for those other communities just haven't wanted to move over.
It's just that you need "pioneers", people who resonate with what's already here but also want to add to whatever new communities. I don't think we'll have a migration of users only for those topics if we first don't have a few that can already keep things alive as they are.
Pioneers don’t matter for many communities if you can’t engage with others.
Why? I like how lemmy is now, why would we want to bring the people here that can't find their own way?
I expect Lemmy to grow significantly in the next 5 years. Many people are not happy with Reddit.
The bar isn't high, keep improving the platform while Reddit shits itself over and over, rinse and repeat.
make communities, tell people about them on Reddit, about all you can do. "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".
I've had trouble posting in r/showerthoughts and one other I can't remember. But that's it.
I wish there were more people here, too. But I don’t think it can ever realistically be, nor does it need to be a competition. As long as there are a default millions of people willing to spend their valuable attention contributing to corporate ad-powered social media companies, the more socially responsible platforms like Lemmy and Mastodon will always be a niche corner of an aspirational web that at least attempts to trust and respect its users. I’d flip it around: the smallness of these mostly positive communities on Lemmy reflects how content the huge crowds at reddit, meta, twitter etc are at being surrounded by utter shit. If the last few years haven’t shown them that there are better places to spend their time online, I’m not sure what will. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m also starting to be okay with the size and scope of things over here.
I think we should be nice and welcoming and provide a good atmosphere. Maybe a unique (in a good way) community that can't be found anywhere else. I mean we need something that sets us apart. If we're just another low-key social media platform that is bad as well, just in a different way, we won't attract any users.
And we need to offer something useful(?) to (new) users.
Plus we need to solve a few technical issues. The onboarding process needs to be a lot easier. It has to be clicking "Next" a few times and maybe choosing a password. Not learning about instances etc and then you also get to sort through the communities and put in a lot of effort to make it useful.
And I've heard admins complain, so there might be a few other issues with performance, reliability and other details.
I also think the UI has to be shiny to attract normal people. And there needs to be constant and visible improvement, maybe useful new features every now and then. So it looks active, and provides some novelty and innovation.
Maybe even some "Wow"-factor.
Furthermore, maybe a bit less drama. And it has to be obvious that Lemmy is a nice place. I mean it is. But most people I've showed it to, didn't notice this at first glance.
Those are all good ideas. One comment:
I also think the UI has to be shiny to attract normal people.
What I like about Lemmy is that it has a lower percentage of those "normal people"...
You're right. That's a good thing. At the same time it has a lot more "normal people" than other places on the internet, I frequent.
OMG that sounds like a Bell Curve meme. Here you go:
Lemmy does not need a shitty UI.
join-lemmy.org should really just have a "Join Lemmy" button that load balances between whatever general-purpose instances opt-in to being defaults. Then there should be a "Wait, I care about which server I join!" button that does the existing UX flow.
It should also default to not showing the weirder instances like hexbear or lemmygrad. That's going to turn a lot of people off.
That's exactly what I've been telling for some time now, as well.
The mods over here are also turning Lemmy into echo chambers
There are definitely some here. I agree.
It's not nearly as bad as reddit though. Still relatively early days.