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So much for people who didn't believe the warnings that Trump is a fascist who admires Hitler.

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[–] ModestMeme@lemm.ee 122 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Non-voters and Green Party voters, thanks for making this possible!

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 111 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But the Democrats didn't reach out to me, personally, and massage my feet while talking to me about my pet issue! So, really, there's plenty of blame to share. /s

[–] silence7 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

If you lived in a swing state, you probably got multiple texts and phone calls from Democrats and other left-leaning groups, and very likely somebody knocking at your door too. Shifted the outcome by something like 3 percentage points.

[–] NJSpradlin@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago

But, they didn’t come and personally talk to me about how Kamden Hussein omala was going to make the ‘economy better’ (than it did post Trump’s BS)!

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

You know in swing states dem voters also got a shitload of maga shit? Cuz we did. I have never gotten so much conservative propaganda in my life as I did this last election season in isolation.

Swing state residency is an absolute burden. I’m super left, but seriously. Harassing 1/4 at most of the population incessantly for months every 4 years doesn’t actually make people vote dem either. The whole thing is absolutely fucked but ffs leave us alone! We don’t need 50 texts a day telling us we matter. We fucking know and don’t want that burden.

I don’t give a flying fuck about your 3 points. Give me something to vote for or shut the fuck up (I have always voted dem, and I’ve canvassed and all, because the alternative, but I will probably swap to literally anything better at this point since they are useless af and I'm tired of being a political scapegoat.)

[–] BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

The swing states that decided it had record breaking turn outs except Pennsylvania where it was just shy. She lost last i check on Friday by just over 250k votes in 4 states. Around 250k votes flipped causing her to lose. No 3rd party votes for green party would have flipped this election last I checked

[–] errer@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Trump had over 50% in almost all states he won. 3rd party vote isn’t the reason we’re in this predicament.

[–] shplane@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The person you’re replying to also said “non voters” which was definitely a significant chunk of people compared to 2020’s voter turnout

[–] BaldManGoomba@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Didn't make a difference in the swing states they had record breaking turns outs. The drop in votes came in other states that were deicided already settled

[–] shplane@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

I looked it up, and the difference in the voting numbers are close for each swing state when you compare the results from 2020 and 2024. Another factor is that there are more eligible voters in each state so voter turnout was still less as a percentage when you factor in population growth

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[–] Intergalactic@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Write this for me professionally and factually correct: The Green Party’s votes did not have enough voters to secure a win for Harris in this election cycle if those votes went to Harris instead of Stein. This was Hillary 2.0, but at least Harris had some policy.

As an independent voter, I cast my vote for Harris, believing she was the most suitable candidate for individuals like myself. However, it's important to acknowledge that the Democratic Party bears responsibility for this outcome.

Harris focused her efforts on appealing to Republicans rather than progressive voters, which was an unexpected approach. The sense of entitlement from the party leadership, and party loyalists, is, frankly, quite astonishing.

What do you expect would happen?

She failed to criticize Biden, and failed to better address the Israel-Gaza conflict.

[–] Gsus4@mander.xyz 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Because she expected actual progressive voters to already be well educated on what trump 2.0 means for the country...now they eat trump soup, like everyone else.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

They wanted hope, not more of "the same"

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago

So instead they chose despair

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[–] Absaroka@lemmy.world -3 points 22 hours ago

Non-voters? 100 percent.

Third party voters? I don't think anybody who votes for a third party ever had any intention of voting for one of the big party candidates.

It's almost like the reasoning music industry execs used back in the Napster days. "Oh we've lost a bagillion dollars because people downloaded those songs instead of buying the album" when most of those folks doing the downloading never had any intention (or ability) to buy the song.

[–] paddirn@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

This is the one time I wish we could have a military coup organized by some patriotic generals to arrest the incoming administration, and immediately hold a new set of elections. It won't happen, but it's nice to think about.

[–] BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 2 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

And who gets to define what patriotic is? Trumper fuckeads will disagree with your definition and your scenario opens up a nasty can of worms and slippery slopes.

The reality is, as soon as someone proves he violates the Constitution, the military can only act against the Executive Branch through a unanimous act of Congress because that's who pays the bills and can legally issue their orders to tactically execute.

Take a guess which political party completely sweeped up all the nations votes and soon controls all aspects of the Legislative Branch?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

And when the military decides your favorite isn't good enough?

[–] LavenderDay3544@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

We become the next Egypt.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I agree. It would be nice for the joint chiefs to court marshal trump.

[–] pennomi@lemmy.world 74 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Well yeah, if Trump fills the military with loyalists, he can order a coup to avoid losing power.

[–] krashmo@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

It doesn't matter as much what Trump is planning to do with his powers. He's old and on the way out whether he likes it or not. The real problem is what the people set to take over when he's gone plan to do with them. Does Trump set up his successor or does his ego force him to shut the door behind him? Our best chance at normalcy in a post Trump world might just be that he's so unbelievably mean spirited that he takes his potential rivals down with him when the time comes.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What coup, my dude? He already has power. There is no need for a coup. Why would there need to be a coup for him to keep power, he's already there?!

What he is doing is preventing a military coup that could possibly save us if we were lucky.

[–] leadore@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

Why not both? He prevents a coup against him and orders a coup to stay in power after his term runs out.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 67 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'll bet you 10 Dogecoin that Trump names Michael Flynn to this....

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 57 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Russian assets in charge of firing our military leaders. Just when im able to start getting more than 4 hours of sleep since Black Tuesday i see this shit.

[–] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yep. It's going exactly how Putin would want it to.

But according to the tankies, a depressing amount of leftists, and the Enlightened Centrists (TM) on the bothsiderist media, Russian collusion was just a "hoax".

That reminds me, I feel like we need to hide whoever tried to stop that photo op in Arlington National Cemetery before they are disappeared

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So what's the military got to say about this? Lol not that they can do much. I for one am excited to see Trump give all the current generals nothing to do but plot a rebellion.

[–] osaerisxero@kbin.melroy.org 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Don't get it twisted, the military can choose to do whatever they want about this, up to and including execution of the full trump administration on day one. They represent the largest portion of the State's monopoly on force.

What they can do legally is another matter entirely, but we're well past legal or not at this point.

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Most of the military will likely follow the law. Making atrocities lawful is going to happen very quickly after Jan 20th if not sooner from the way things are going right now.

Nobody’s saying it’d be lawful. But personally, were I a military officer, given a choice between doing a thing to save my institution and then falling on my sword, or doing nothing and watching an institution I love get corrupted and turned against the country and oaths its supposed to serve… I imagine I’d pick the former.

It’s very much a catch-22 situation. But at the same time, there’s clearly a less catastrophic (in the long-term) choice available here.

I honestly can’t believe I’m looking at the prospect of a military coup with a grain of hope at this point, but here we are. What a time to be alive.

[–] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

It does say enemies foreign and domestic.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The Trump transition team is considering a draft executive order that establishes a “warrior board” of retired senior military personnel with the power to review three- and four-star officers and to recommend removals of any deemed unfit for leadership.

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Doesn't the Commander in Chief already have that authority?

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 1 day ago

Yes, and this is the exercise of that power. In practice, most of the things the President has power to do is delegated, and doubly so when Trump is lazy as shit. Executive Orders are the process of delegating those powers and setting guidelines.

This just isn't normally done because Presidents usually aren't afraid that their illegal orders will be ignored.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (6 children)

This sounds like an advisory council.

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[–] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 day ago (3 children)

We're watching a political thriller irl in real time. Grab your popcorns, because you wont be getting anymore popcorn when the tariffs hit.

[–] sepi@piefed.social 17 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Tariffs on corn in the USA? Home of the corn lobby? Are you sure?

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[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

I wanna watch something else please

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago

There's going to be an abundance of popcorn when other countries retaliate with their own tariffs.

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