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Auntie Oedipus (@Parasite@kolektiva.social):

One of the most toxic elements of democracy brain is viewing 51% as victory and 49% as defeat.

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[–] Stanley_Pain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 29 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Not really a problem of democracy. More of an American problem with it's 2 part, FPTP electoral system.

[–] Prunebutt 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If your party has 51% in basic any parliamentary system, you basically rule the parliament.

[–] OneWomanCreamTeam@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's really only the case under incredibly undemocratic systems like the US's that don't support more than two parties or proportional representation.

The problem isn't democracy, the problem is undemocratic systems that just call themselves democracies.

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[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

51% vs 49% is the difference between having absolute complete control over a company, or just being important but still needing the board's approval. 1% makes all the difference in the world in many, many subjects.

[–] Prunebutt 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. That's the toxic bit.

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Well, what percentage do you propose be required for the winner? What if nobody obtains the required percentage? You just don't change presidents? I see criticism here, but I don't see alternatives.

[–] Jumi@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Real democracies have more than two viable parties for a start

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[–] Prunebutt 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Simply don't have presidents, but councils.

[–] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Isn't that essentially Congress?

[–] Prunebutt 1 points 2 months ago

Do you really think that the US is a soviet republic?

[–] Anticorp@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Okay, and what percentage of the vote is required to elect a council member? 51%?

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

that is because politics has effectively turned into a football game in some countries

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean you can have Open List Proportional Voting, where candidates then get gove representative roles in those proportions... They have proportional systems in Germany and Japan, and people have to work together to get things done.

[–] Prunebutt 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The system in Germany is currently in the process of breaking down and caving in to the (far) right.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

That's what people are voting for, the electoral system might not be the issue, the way medias cover the far right might be. By law in French Belgium the far right doesn't get live media presence and what they say needs to be filtered to remove the lies and not report them, the result is that the far right isn't much of an issue over there.

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