Plot twist: it was a closet gay with self-hatred!
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The first person who called me a f*g was so deep in the closet he was basically in narnia
same. I first realized what he was when he had sex with a girl for the first time and then kept ranting about how disgusting and unattractive her body was. suddenly his vocal hatred of anything "gay" and constant homoerotic "jokes" made sense
Most homophobes are
Pretty sure this is just a myth, plenty of people suck for no apparent reason
It's not, a scientific study showed homophobic participants gay porn and measured their reaction. The overwhelming majority of them "liked what they saw"...
Fun fact, the method they used to determine arousal isn’t admissible as evidence in court in the US because it’s not reliable enough. I’m guessing none of the “homophobia is the fault of the gays!” popsci articles mentioned that part, though.
Given that homophobia was very widely accepted until the past decade or two, it would be incredibly stupid to argue that almost all of society was gay until very recently.
Given that homophobia was very widely accepted until the past decade or two, it would be incredibly stupid to argue that almost all of society was gay until very recently.
Homosexuality was far more common before the rise of christianity and its spread via colonialism.
My comment was referring primarily to recent western history.
Thanks for sharing. I never considered that people could blame gay people for homophobia. To me this is obvious nonsense, the only people to blame are the homophobes.
That being said, the correlation between gay arousal and homophobia remains mysterious.
I think it's very simple. If you spend all day thinking about gay dick, your body is going to react. Normally only gay mascs and horny women spend all day thinking about gay dick. Straight men don't have a reaction to gay dick because they don't condition that response. They don't think about gay dick for long enough for Pavlov to kick in. Homophobes condition themselves by constantly thinking about sex (hot; unconditioned stimulus) and gay (conditioned stimulus) at the same time. If they just quit thinking about gay sex all day, their fetish would go away. But that would require being less homophobic, and they can't. Then they get worried that they're gay, because they like dick, so they assume being gay is what they have. And since what they have sucks, they assume being gay sucks, which makes them more homophobic.
A similar thing happens in POCD, or Pedophile Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. The fear of being a pedophile conditions an association between children and arousal, which self-reinforces in a vicious cycle. Fortunately, most people with POCD are not fascists, so they're capable of having a normal response to it in which they don't proceed to deliberately indulge in the association. In order for someone to be homophobic and suffer the same thing with gay thoughts, their judgement has to already be compromised, which produces a more toxic reaction.
Using a Lindsey Graham quote would be cheating..
that's a "both"
"Uh oh it seems we have a tie, folks! You know what that means! F-slur sudden death round!!!"
Honesty, I think it would be fairly easy to figure out.
If it is derogatory - homophobe.
If it points out an idiosyncracy, and makes fun of it - queer, or at least not homophobe.
In my experience, bgoted people make jokes that insult and/or demean those people they hate. It is not done primarily to be funny, but to hurt and demean. Making it funny just helps spread it around.
whoa, no, this is not at all my experience. practically the opposite.
very often queer people make self-deprecating jokes about their communities that are on their face insulting.
this sounds like a good idea to me because I don't think anybody would get it.
it would be like that TV show or whatever who tells the truth, to tell the truth, that nobody ever wins because nobody ever knows when somebody else is lying.
Huh, you know maybe knowing the origin of the joke affects how I determine whether it's derogatory or not?
I did not think about that, but looking back, seems like an easy pitfall.
Good point.
Maybe my friends are just weird but I heard my Queer friends tell to eachother such queer-phobic stuff,as joke of course but with a serious voice so a third person could believe that they are serious, that I was extremely shocked the first few times we hung out 😂😂😂 Now I laugh my ass off but I would never dare to do it myself even tho I'm 100% sure they would be down with it. 🏳️🌈
It’s easy if you ignore the closeted folks who are terrified of being found out and participate in the gay shaming.
Could also be called homo or phobe
Yes, but then the name wouldn't be as good.
This also works with racist / cultural jokes.
ETA The problem jokes that capitalize on racist stereotypes tend to be cringe, and not good cringe (like puns).
I bet the Cards Against Humanity people could find a way to make this into a game.
I haven't really met like a hundred queers in my life but I have this one gay friend that been my bestie for a solid 12 years so far and never heard him or any of our other queer friends tell a joke it's always the straights who tell the gayest and yet funniest jokes and they always land home, that's just my experience so far I wish to meet someone that would change my mind tho
I haven’t had the same experience with jokes (my experience aligns more with the meme) but I always hear the most homoerotic comments from the straights.
I’m closeted to one group of friends, and i openly say gay shit because it’s funny and I can get away with it and have only been questioned once. But good lord can some of the straight people in that group effortlessly say gayer shit than me.
Lol as a straight guy, that tracks. For me, I think it's that I'm comfortable with myself and who I am on the spectrum of sexuality, and don't really care if people judge me as gay. You're damn right if there's something funny to be said that happens to be gay as fuck, I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.
The final boss is the most closeted bigot you've ever met. They'll grab some quotes from before they went to therapy for the show and use it as a vehicle for coming out. They will be both.
We need to get this greenlit now.. Or at least before next pride month.
I LOVE this idea
Send the suggestion to @fter midnight, this sounds tailor made for them.
I have no idea who that is, but I was thinking neopunk fm would also be a good choice to run this game show
The anti-gay jokes are the ones that aren't funny and the gay jokes are the ones they don't get.
Good thing I'm not from the USA 😭
How the fuck did you get to "USA bad" in one step from this meme?
it's lemmy. USA bad is practically our motto. everything has to tie back to it some way or another
"Gay Agenda" maybe?
IDK some people really do go about their lives hunting for anything with any relation to the thing (or group) they hate. They think about the thing (or group) they hate more than those that are the thing (or group) in question.
Honestly, I don't even know. USA just feels like a crazyland, you know?