I had a philosophy prof who said the title depends on the setting. If he were speaking at a conference, it's Dr. If he was teaching at a school, it's Professor.
If you're in a setting where those titles aren't relevant, don't use them.
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Most people with Ph.D don't use the Dr title out of a formal setting.
Between People thinking that you're a physicianand asking about their health, and people thinking you're pedantic. Better staying discrete.
"Doctor" is a title you become entitled to use by virtue of holding a PhD - you have the option to use it, but nothing compels you to do so if you don't want to.
Note that the reverse isn't true - representing yourself as holding a doctorate when you don't can be a fairly serious crime - if you did for the purposes of getting money from some, then it's probably some kind of fraud
While misrepresenting yourself or your credentials can be fraud, the title of PhD/Doctor (outside of MD) is not regulated, at least not in the US. It's almost like an endorsement from the university that you passed their tests.
But that's not very regulated either, and there are countless certifying boards (Boards of Regents, typically).
Falsely claiming to have a PhD in Neuroscience from Harvard, or an honorary Doctorate of Fine Arts from Knox College, would be fraud. But just saying that you have a PhD without specifying anything more specific is not.
And it comes up regularly - an easy example is the author of Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus.
I mean, it is fraud if you represent yourself as a doctor of a field you don’t have a doctorate in. But for example, you can be Albert Einstein, PHD will a focus in stupid and no one will care
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As a PhD holder who has worked in healthcare, I really couldn’t use the title doctor because the chance for confusion with a medical practitioner is too high. That’s fine by me, I only use the title on rare occasions such as when speaking publicly in my area of experience. Please just call me Meyotch.
Meanwhile in certain countries people with an M.B.B.S. and no doctorate get to use the title of "doctor" as a matter of convention.
Funny how physicians have basically co-opted the title even when they technically do not possess the degree it refers to. And even funnier is that the word doctor means teacher in Latin so it would make much more sense that those with Ph.D.s, who are qualified to teach at the highest levels, should get to use the title over physicians most of whom do not teach anything at all unless they are medical school professors.
Meyotch is an interesting suffix to a person’s name.
“I am Professor Patrick”
“Professor?”
“Meyotch Professor Patrick!”
/s
I have a PhD, the only time I use my title is when booking tickets for trains or planes with German companies.
I'm a social scientist. Nobody hears the word "doctor" and thinks of a person like me.
No one has to do anything. Live your life. Choose how you want to be addressed.
You don't hear lawyers going around being called Dr. Lastname, despite having JDs.
To be fair, lawyers get the much cooler Esquire, AND it is appended to the end of their name instead of the front. Definitely stands out more than the generic Doctor.
Although only a douchenozzle would insist on it being used.
Doctor Snooty McFace, Esquire
Totally. 👍. Well said
Although I had a prof who was a JD who INSISTED on Dr. so she could be on par with the other instructors. But then no one liked her. So ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As a newly minted doctor, I prefer Dr. Drail because of the work I put in. I have seen three common name/title presentations though:
Dr. Drail
Dr. Drail, Ph.D.
Mr. Drail, Ph.D.
The last one obviously preserves a gendered title if desired. I tend to include my pronouns where applicable, as it makes clear my gender identity while allowing me to use the least cumbersome combo (Dr. Drail) without confusion. I haven't ever met someone who double stacks their honorifics (ie Dr. Mr. Drail), but if you want to make clear your gender, there aren't any rules against it, and it is common in some non-english speaking cultures.
Ultimately, it is your title, your honorific, so you get to decide how to present it. I prefer to just go by my name 90% of the time, but while applying for jobs or introducing myself in a profesional capacity, Dr. Drail (he/him/his) is a really easy way to get all the info across succinctly.
(The weirdest part is, his last name isn't Drail. It's Gomez.)
Lol, no, but I'd be damned if I put my actual name out on the internet. Dr. Drail is my profesional anonymous title.
I've seen honorifics double stacked for religious leaders.
I said I would always correct people after I defended. Almost 10 years later I never do. Best of luck with the eternal annoyance!
You can use your full name plus PhD at the end, that should make it easier for people to get the gender of the person, and looks better for those who are not medical doctors.
There’s no law that says you have to use ‘dr’ or another title; and can instead go by Mr, if he wants.
It might also be possible to go by dr [first name], if that solves the question of gender affirmation. Might also be simpler/easier to get people to go along with it.
Also, I’d happily Knight him myself. There’s no law in America saying I can’t, either. so, there.
(And now I want to create a chivalric order. I’m thinking, cosplay while we clean up parks and/or whatever like that.) (the chivalric order of do-goodery.)
My chivalric order of bad-assery will stand nearby and make fun of you.
Real badasses grab a broom and a rake.
After catching the villainous curs, of course.
Double up. Assert dominance. Demand to be referred to as 'Mister Doctor'. Hmm.. 'Doctor Mister'? I think I like Mr. Dr. better.
If you're a professor with a doctorate in Germany, the official way to refer to you is Professor Doctor [last name]. If you hold two doctorates it's Professor Doctor Doctor.
Professor is also a serious and registered title in Germany. You can't just start a school and start handing out professorships without oversight and approval.
TIL. That's actually really cool info!
And you keep herr/frau, so technically it would be Frau Professorin Doctor Jones.
Generally when opening an email you condense it, and simply refer to the person as "Sehr geehrte Frau Professorin Jones" - Very honoured ms. professor Jones. They're very humble.
Dr first is the syntax I subscribe to
I don't know for sure but for me, if I spent 10 years in college, and two or three years in an internship, working 15 hours a day, sometimes 20 or 30 hours straight with no sleep, I would think that having the doctor title is something I worked hard to earn.
Most PhD's in university actually prefer to be called by their first name. As a graduate student, one of the most jarring culture shocks is to learn to call professors by their first names. At least that's the case in the US, not sure about elsewhere
I see, that's interesting. I didn't know that.
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As I understand it, Doctor is originally a male form, and Doctrix is female. FWIW
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As others say, it's not required and you very much can use other titles. Most stick with Dr because of how much time and effort and stress went into it, although I only use Dr. because with my first name it let's me go by the name of a certain Simpsons character. "Hello, everybody!"
Hi, Dr Nick!
Follow up question, a trans woman with a PhD can use Doctress as title?
Canonically, no. But fucking go for it sister.
If you’re also a teacher, you get to use “Professor”
Only in the US and a select few other countries...
In other places, 'Professor' is a specific academic rank - there'll only be a few professors in a university.
In those other areas there are plenty of other English titles you can use. "Instructor" is always fun!
Pardon me for the lack of nuance in my previous comment, but, yeah, this is what I was talking about.
So far as I'm aware, non-occupational pre-nominal honorifics inure to the individual, so generally speaking, if that person doesn't want to use their title, they don't have to. And in the same way that most people will go along with someone's acquired honorific of Dr or Capt or whatever, the same should also apply if someone expressed that their honorific should not used. I have no citation for this, other than what I've seen in life.
As a sidenote, in Britain, I understand that medical doctors are able to use the pre-nominal of Dr, but surgeons specifically will drop the Dr and just use Mr. or Ms.
Apparently this stems from ages ago when surgeons did not have to have a medical degree, and the doctoral view was that surgeons were akin to butchers. This may have reflected the crudeness of early surgeries. As a result, surgeons developed a history of being Mr -- it's not clear if female surgeons also took on Mr. So after the various laws/rules changed so that surgeons also had to be medically qualified, they still kept the tradition of Mr.
Thus, a male student of medicine in the UK could go from Mr, graduate to Dr, and then graduate as a surgeon to Mr again. I have no citation for this either, but it's plausible for the ardently traditional British nation.
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