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Hi all!

We're very excited to move to Denmark soon as lifelong Americans. I have a good job lined up, and we're set on a place to live for a while.

Any advice from people who have done it, looked it up, had friends who have done it, etc? Just in general :)

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[–] Humana@lemmy.world 90 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Think of other topics and questions than work, Americans care too much about work outside of work.

Switch your phone apps to celsius and start your brain switching ASAP.

Knowing what country or region you're going to would help

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh switching to metric is a great idea.

Denmark :)

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

American here, got stationed in Italy for a few years. Learning Celsius was easy with this in mind:

0 freezing
10 cool
20 nice
30 hot
40 sweltering

If you need to do the actual calculation, double the celsius value, subtract the tens digit (i.e. -10%), add 32. For example:

Double it: 20 * 2 = 40
Subtract the tens digit: 40 - 4 = 36
Add 32: 36+32 = 68

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[–] pmk@lemmy.sdf.org 79 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The danish people will maybe say a lot of things about us swedes, but don't believe the lies.

[–] Ecunis@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Do not believe this liar. Danes speak the truth.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

Too bad nobody can understand what they are saying

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[–] Ecunis@lemmy.world 54 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Getting new friends in Denmark can be difficuelt at first. Many are reserved and needs to thaw up first. Do not expect colleagues to invite you home, if you are ysed to that. However, when people open up it is because they like and respect you. Danes are in general not superficial as Americans often can be. So remember, we are not unfriendly, just different from Americans :) Advise from a 100% Dane.

Lol, and Danes are definitely the most outgoing of the Nordics. I've found Danes to be pretty similar in terms of outgoing-ness to people from New England in the US; unlikely to start conversation with complete strangers, but certainly kind once you have that initial connection.

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[–] Ziggurat@sh.itjust.works 43 points 1 month ago

Do you speak the local language, if not start getting courses now, even if many person are fluent in english, not everyone will want to speak English. (You know the joke about Parisian who don't know English if you start talking with them in English, but would switch to a perfect English if you have a slight foreign accent when speaking french)

Expect that even basic stuff won't work the same way as you're used too. It's already an issue when moving between two European countries, even basic stuff like what you can legally find on a lease or how to get health coverage will drastically change.

In southern Europe people are pretty touchy/tactile and an America would feel sexually harrassed, Nordic Europe is the other way around with pretty distant people where an American would pass for way too touchy/friendly

Learn to ride a bike, and expect to walk way more than in the US, also remember that even though winter are milder, Europe is way far up north than the US

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Depending on where you'll live exactly, look up the local train and bus operator. If you're in a city, chances are, you won't even need a car most of the time.

Also get ready to install a different suite of apps. WhatsApp is big in europe, although Signal is obviously preferable when possible.

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[–] gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's worth it. I'm almost two years in Germany. Wouldn't move back for a million dollars (although at 3 I could be bought). Work on the local language, volunteer or other community involvement activities, treat it like the new home it is. We're fortunate to be able to move to a new country, try to be a part of improving it and earning your spot there. I'm even more fortunate to be white, male, straight etc - assuming you're at least some of those things, do your best to counter the anti-immigration fear mongering that comes out of the political right. It effects you now, but more importantly it's ramping up and it'll effect people less fortunate far worse.

Hope you love it and welcome to Europe.

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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Plus one for taking language lessons. Even if you don't plan on getting fluent, it will help you settle in a lot more

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[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Including which country could help :)

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 18 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Fair enough, moving to Denmark!

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You are welcome! You may visit the danish instance at feddit.dk

Just as Denmark, it is not very large but plenty of people willing to help, mixed with some degree of Danish sarcasm

[–] RagingHungryPanda@lemm.ee 11 points 1 month ago

I haven't been there, but get a bike!

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[–] tiredofsametab@fedia.io 26 points 1 month ago (9 children)
  • learn the language AND CUSTOMS
  • don't hang out in foreigner/english bubbles
  • don't assume anything works the way it does in the US (from gasoline and driving to medical to government). There are lots of little things that seem like they obviously must be done X way but aren't in other countries
  • be careful with any investments. It's very easy to end up with PFICs which are punitively taxed (making retirement vehicles here in Japan outside of the national pension prohibitive for me, for instance).
  • celebrate
  • bring any snacks that you can legally bring but they can't legally sell (some things with food dyes, etc. if you really like them are banned in some countries to produce/sell but not eat).
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[–] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

In the middle now.

Wife is already Swedish so I'm doing it on easy mode, plus job is remote.

Politeness, wow, that's tough to get used to. Trying to fix my silicon valley manners and I'm still coming off as the biggest asshole.

Government is more involved in your life, but it's not too bad, just something you get used to, ups and downs, they mostly try to help.

Amazon is shit, thats a thing for me, but you manage.

They have a food culture.

No, you may have misunderstood me, I did not say they have food in their culture, I mean a significant part of their societal culture revolves around food.

Did not understand this, used to Door dashing and eating to get by, they don't do that, food matters to them, spending half a day cooking is just a thing you do, it's not work to them anymore than watching YouTube is.

Otherwise you'll get by, just try to tone down your socialization reflexes, they're more reserved and our outgoing nature can scare them shitless if they're not ready for it.

[–] PartyPatella@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Hej Frank!

Welcome in advance!

Where are you gonna live? You don't need to specify city, but perhaps approximate destination? Jylland, Fyn, Sjælland? And which part?

Which line of work?

Indeed, try to learn Danish even though it is a ridiculous language. I believe there are even free courses, although I am not absolutely sure. Here's a few words to get you started:

Hej/godmorgen/goddav' = hello/good morning/howdy (last word especially in Jutland)
Farvel = goodbye
Tak = thank you
Velbekomme = you are welcome
Undskyld = sorry
Undskyld mig = excuse me
Ingen problem = no worries
Jeg hedder Frank = my name is Frank
Godt at mΓΈde dig = nice to meet you
Vi ses/hav det godt = see you/take care
Hav en god dag = have a good day

And remember! Free health care! Free schools and education! Although you will pay higher taxes, lol.

Hope you will enjoy! And feel free to ask questions. I live very near Aarhus in Eastern Jutland.

EDIT: formatting some how went wrong, just realised now. Sorry! Fixed.

[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 month ago

Ah this is great! We are doing some Danish, and will continue to learn it. We'll be in Copenhagen, which will make leaning on our English a little easier.

I'm an engineer, and my work will be all in English, which is a great way to start.

I spent ~$8,000 USD on shoulder surgery this year. I can't wait for healthcare lol

[–] kambusha@sh.itjust.works 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Unless work is helping you out, expect to have difficulties opening up bank account in EU due to FATCA. Lots of banks don't want to deal with that, so they'll outright reject Americans.

As others have said, try to learn the language, at least a little. Although I'd say 90% of the population will know English.

Take ferry over to Germany if you want cheaper beer/wine/alc. The Swedes go to Denmark, and Danish go to Germany :).

Q: will you be returning to the US?

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[–] PrimeMinisterKeyes@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)
  • Language is by far the most important door opener, so put in one hour of learning every day for at least a year.
  • Mingle to get out of your comfort zone: Go to after-work parties and flea markets, take public transit. Use hobbyist/ meet-up apps. Read/ watch the local news.
  • Don't expect to be invited, especially not to people's homes. People might also be uncomfortable being invited to your home. Meeting in a public place is almost always the better option, unless you've gotten to know someone really well.
  • Irony/ sarcasm don't translate very well between cultures.
  • Europe has some lousy weather, so get watertight coats and waterproof your shoes and backpacks.
  • Take it slow.
  • Also: Enjoy it! Europe is a fantastic little place at the crossroads between Asia and Africa and I would never want to leave.
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[–] Kazumara@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't bring a truck or guns with you. Change some dollars for euros. Remember that the US has an insane tax system that follows you abroad and you still have to file taxes in the US in addition to the country you live in.

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[–] cralder@lemmy.world 18 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Since you are moving to Denmark: flee! Take a car and drive north to seek refuge in Sweden. Once you make it there you are safe, but you never know, the Danes could invade any minute. Keep driving north until you start seeing reindeer walking around like they own the place. Move into a cabin in the woods and never look back. The Danes can't reach you there.

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[–] targetx@programming.dev 18 points 1 month ago

You could finally visit the only real Legoland in Billund of course!

[–] PonyOfWar@pawb.social 17 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Time to learn a new language, unless you're moving to Ireland or Malta I guess. Tons of people come to Germany and are shocked when not everyone speaks English.

Anyway, I think you'll get better answers if you specify a country. The EU is quite diverse, so I don't think there's a ton of advice that'll be true everywhere in the EU.

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[–] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I don't know if Denmark does it, but Norwegians love to use week numbers in corporate/education environments for scheduling instead of using dates like normal people, so you might end up in a situation where you have to check the calender to find out what date Monday week 42 might be.

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[–] eugenia@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago

Create a second gmail account when you get there. Many apps that you will need there don't exist in the US app/playstore, so you will need the second account to download them.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Take me with you?

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Do everything you can to learn the language quickly. Take any language class offer you get. It will make life much easier in a new country, especially if you're looking to make friends. Immerse yourself in the culture immediately.

Remember that Europeans, especially Scandinavians, are not as openly friendly as Americans. They can seem cold and distant at first. It's not because they are not friendly, it's just a cultural feature. Once you get to know them, most open up and they are awesome.

On financials, keep all your bank accounts and credit cards open in the US and use a US address for them (and get a credit card with no foreign transaction fees). Don't advertise to the US banks that you moved overseas. Just use a family member's or friend's address. Also note that European banks don't have rewards credit cards, so I only use US rewards cards with no foreign transaction fees when living overseas. They'll send you replacement cards overseas if you ask them to, even when your account address is in the US.

If you don't already have retirement IRA accounts set up (not just 401k), do it before you leave the US. Also, open a brokerage account (e.g. Schwab or Fidelity) with a US address before you leave and don't change the address to your overseas address, ever. Leave as is. It can be very hard for Americans to invest because foreign banks are required to report different things to US authorities about customers who are American citizens. They don't want the bother, so they may not allow you to open an account there. And once you move it will be much harder to open the account in the US. Use a service like Wise to move funds cheaply to your US accounts for investments and paying off credit cards.

Get a cheap eSIM phone subscription with a US phone number for two-step verification abroad. You can use Wifi-calling to connect.

Finally, remember that you are eligible to vote in the US as a US citizen living overseas. You'll still be registered as a voter in the state and county you moved overseas from. You'll use your most recent address, and you don't have to have any attachment to that address any longer. It's only for voting purposes. If you're not already registered to vote when you move overseas, you'll also use your most recent address to register to vote. More information here: https://www.fvap.gov/citizen-voter.

Good luck!

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do your best to immerse yourself . When you view the USA from the outside or return to visit, you will ask yourself, "WTF is going on here?"

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[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't bring your gun, also public transport should be good, so using a car might not always be necessary / the best option.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (2 children)

So, do they just issue you a new gun when the plane lands? Is the ammo the same caliber there, or is it all metric?

[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No gun, but an axe. The raiding party's don't fill themselves afterall.

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[–] Ludrol@szmer.info 9 points 1 month ago

All round great advice. For a bit more silly one: record yourself opening the window for the first time in Denmark.

(iykyk)

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Out of curiosity, did you find work in Denmark so that you could move, or is current work sending you over?

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[–] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago

Plus one for taking language lessons. Even if you don't plan on getting fluent, it will help you settle in a lot more

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