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[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 152 points 1 month ago (9 children)

redpilled is from the matrix, not sure what the relation to estrogen is there. What's the origin of based?

[–] germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 134 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] kinkles@sh.itjust.works 140 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They have neither confirmed or denied it being a trans allegory. It depends on how you interpret the response Lilly Wachowski gave in an interview a few years ago:

Continuing on The Matrix, you confirmed a couple years ago that it was a trans allegory —

No, I didn’t. 

You didn’t? Tell me more. 

Yeah, so that came from an interview I did for Disclosure. They had a bunch of Matrix questions. And the question they asked me was about Switch, who was originally written as a trans character who was male in the real world and female in the matrix. And they took that response and attached the question that everyone now references that it’s a trans allegory. And so it was slightly out of context, but I don’t sit here and put a stink up about it, because it is a trans allegory in that it was written by two closeted trans women. And so all of the things that are in it are super-duper trans. The idea of transformation, even the whole “My name is Neo, Mr. Anderson —” that idea of claiming identity, it’s undeniable.

https://www.them.us/story/lilly-wachowski-mentoring-the-matrix-interview

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago (6 children)

So it was an unintentional trans allegory?

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 44 points 1 month ago

Closeted people often express their desires subconsciously. Well, frankly, most people do.

[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

very similar to the game Celeste which was made by a questioning/closeted trans person, so the whole game pretty much follows the trans experience. The creator actually confirmed canonically that the character (Madeline) is trans too.

"During Celeste’s development, I did not know that Madeline or myself were trans. During the Farewell DLC’s development, I began to form a hunch. Post-development, I now know that we both are."

AAGH MY HEART 😭😭

edit: bonus round! the music composer is also trans, she also makes some of the music for Minecraft, including pigstep.

[–] JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

I didn't know Lena Raine was trans.

I also didn't know she did the music for Celeste

[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

My understanding is that's usually how it works. It's just that most people usually settle for like, transformation art or VRChat and don't need to make an entire blockbuster movie trilogy to come to terms with being trans lmao

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 month ago

A quite intentional trans allegory that also stands as exploring a lot of parallel concepts, and since transness is not popular, its better not to admit it and let trans-panic scare away Matrix fans who couldn't handle it.

The Matrix analogy works better for me compared to my ASD experiences than my midlife enby status.

[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 month ago

Artists often subconsciously put their own ideas and beliefs into their art, as art is a reflection of the artist to some degree. For example, I really like the color blue so I tend to incorporate a lot of blues in my designs. This doesn't mean I'm sad, or that I'm tying to evoke the feeling of water, it just means that I like blue so I tend to begin with the blue color and consequently my designs lean towards blue pallets.

[–] theneverfox@pawb.social 5 points 1 month ago

No, it has a recurring theme of transformation. You could read the first part as a trans allegory, but you could squint and do the same for Star wars or Harry Potter. It's the story of the chosen one

Not everything written by a trans person is a trans allegory. Trans people can tell other stories...a trans allegory is about that specific personal journey, not just influenced by it

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 76 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The matrix is a movie made by trans people that very easily functions as a trans allegory. And in that vein, when the movie was made the most common form of estrogen pills were Premarin which are red

[–] TriflingToad@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

*glances at IT/comp sci field

yeah checks out

[–] Skullgrid@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Correlation, not causation.

Which kind of field do you think people that wish reality were more malleable would go into? Turns out that programming makes it easy to at least bend mathematics to your will, even if you cannot easily do that to your gender.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago

It also makes it easy not to have to interact with people. Programming might lean a bit incel-y but these days you don't even have to meet those guys in person.

[–] bahbah23@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago (1 children)

https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/based/

Red pill does definitely come from matrix, but I'm not seeing anywhere stating that they were inspired by estrogen

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Thanks!

I lowkey hate that definition for based, based is definitely not only used by alt-right. Its just like some people pretending pepe is exclusively used by alt-right people.

[–] null 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Lux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 month ago

The matrix is a trans allegory and based is from lil B, aka BasedGod

[–] ValenThyme@reddthat.com 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

based comes from freebasing crack cocaine, lil b the Based God really popularized it's usage. It's 80's hip hop slang.

[–] koper@feddit.nl 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The directors of the matrix are both trans, and confirmed that it was an allegory. Trans people are usually faced with the dilemma of repressing their identity (blue pill) or transitioning (red pill).

[–] lime@feddit.nu 7 points 1 month ago

to add to the other comments, afaik estrogen pills were usually red when the matrix was made.

[–] Euphorazine@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah, the tweet just seems wrong. I just took "based" as "based in reality" and red pill is the matrix choice to see how the world really is.

Based for opinions you agree with, red pilled for opinions "the other side" doesn't want you to have (the other side can also be imaginary)

[–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The directors of the Matrix are both trans women. The OP is linking it to estrogen because of that.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io -1 points 1 month ago

This knowledge made me immediately visualize Keanu Reeves face sticking out between a pair of woman's legs.

Neo vagina

[–] L0rdMathias@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because people assume that only men can transition so they ignore the fact that F->M transitions don't rely on estrogen? That's the best I got.

[–] shikogo@pawb.social 8 points 1 month ago

The creators of the matrix are M to F

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago
[–] half_built_pyramids@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

They're all boys in my heart.

[–] regul@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Based comes from Lil B...

It originally meant grounded.

[–] AEsheron@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Lil B reclaimed it. It originally referred to freebasing.

[–] bizarroland@fedia.io 5 points 1 month ago

I guess blackpilled comes from the charcoal tablets they give people with alcohol poisoning then?