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You can take one military base with all associated equipment and personnel back to 1941 to win WW2. Which do you choose? (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 37 points 4 days ago (2 children)

None of the above, all would require infrastructure to support their equipment - infrastructure that is decades beyond the capabilities of the time. 1941 wouldn't even have the electricity generation capacity to turn the lights on.

Instead I would bring the Pentagon. Forget the equipment, that building is full of people who study and operate large-scale logistics, operational security, information collection and analysis, battle tactics and broad strategy. Plus, I guarantee you there's a copy in there of all the records ever collected about the Axis military, and hundreds of postwar analyses of those records - deployments, resources, communications, technology, officer profiles, command structure. That information could probably end the war in a year.

Intelligence, logistics and planning win wars.

[–] Glemek@lemmy.world 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Too credible

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 17 points 4 days ago

Oh shit, you're right, I forgot where I was.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Until you realize that interference with the "timeline" means many of the battles never happen, new tactics can be countered, and modern logistics require strong communications - you have info on the wrong war.

A boomer with non-gps ICMS would literally make a world of difference. Hell, transporting a modern university and all its research, staff and equipment could make a world of difference. Include climate change results.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 6 points 4 days ago

Until you realize that interference with the "timeline" means many of the battles never happen

Sure, but that would be the point actually. If you had the kind of complete information about the Axis military deployment and resources in 1941 that this scenario would provide, you wouldn't apply that information willy-nilly, one battle at a time. You would plan a complete campaign to disable the military systems of Germany and Japan all at once, and bide your time until you could implement it.

You would know where every major resource storage is, every production facility, every training facility, every unit deployment, every command headquarters - and the enemy wouldn't know that you know that yet. You would just fully decapitate the command and logistics of the Axis all at once. Any remaining battles would just be a cleanup operation - they can't run tanks, airplanes or ships if we wipe out all of their fuel storage and production because we know where all of it is (or was) in 1941. And because you have the Pentagon staff, you have capable people who could actually plan and organize such an operation.

new tactics can be countered

Eventually, maybe, but if you planned your operations right there simply wouldn't be time. The point isn't to win battles, it's to take away the enemy's ability to start a battle.

modern logistics require strong communications

This is true, and the communication options are limited by the time, but we're not talking about trying to replace the Allies' existing logistics infrastructure. We're talking about using what the Allies already have, with perfect knowledge of what the Axis has when and where, and then picking the right moment to disable their military infrastructure across the board.

[–] bulwark@lemmy.world 23 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

The US military is effective partly because it has so many bases. If you time traveled a single base back in time it would still need modern logistics from other bases. What ever they had in 1941 isn't air to air refueling an f-35.

But probably Norfolk because of the carriers who would still need replenishment from other ships not in Norfolk.

[–] Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago

Norfolk has four carrier strike groups and the entire Atlantic submarine fleet. Even without the ability to repair or resupply, just with what they currently have as far as ordnance goes, that wins the war immediately.

You take a week at most to position submarines in the right spots and then eliminate Axis leadership in a single simultaneous strike.

[–] can_you_change_your_username@fedia.io 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I wouldn't do an airforce or naval base because modern air and sea systems couldn't be repaired and resupplied in 1941. Tanks still run on diesel and can fire the munitions used in WW2 so that's a possibility but they still can't be repaired and transporting them to Europe would be a significant undertaking. Imagine bringing them to the past only to lose half of them to a uboat in the middle of the Atlantic. They also wouldn't be very useful in the Pacific.

I'm going to go with Liberty. It has army special forces command, a Ranger regiment, and a modern medical facility. I think the most valuable thing we could send back to 1941 is knowledge and training. Deploy the Rangers as trainers and advisers, send the medical personnel to teach modern trauma medicine and lead surgical units.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago

Only concern would be reach. There's only so many personnel at liberty and a whole lot of war front.

[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Either AFBs, I feel like a modern aircraft would be hella support for either European or Pacific fronts.

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Blinkov's Battlegrounds did a detailed thought experiment: what happens if a single F-15 is transported to 1941 Pearl Harbor. What could it do?

F-15 Video ConclusionsHe determined the most effective thing possible is drop seven 2,000lb laser guided bombs right into the heart of each of the Japanese carriers. While this is unlikely to sink all of them, it would at minimum cripple them and allow the undamaged US warships in the area to catch up and finish them off. Thus loping off a massive portion of Japan's naval power right at the start of the war.

He also did a thought experiment along similar lines in a different video, if an entire modern supercarrier was transported back to WWII. Both videos are some of my favorites.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 4 points 4 days ago

They could, for a little while. You'd have a very hard time refining petroleum fuel in 1942 to the quality necessary for the jets, so you'd be limited by however much was stored on the base.

I'm also not sure how you'd deploy those aircraft across the Pacific or Atlantic other than disassembling, shipping and then reassembling them.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 11 points 5 days ago (5 children)

I'm guessing Norfolk is home base for a boomer or two? Yeah, I'd go for a pair or three thermonuclear bombs ending every fight, every front, overnight. Smash Berlin, Toyko and, just because Russians, Moscow.

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

just because Russians, Moscow.

Leningrad looked at me funny, I swear.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Mmk 8 still left in the pot

[–] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 2 points 4 days ago

I mean, Moscow is big, we don't have to be stingy.

[–] aard@kyu.de 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Moscow

Just nuke Moscow, and send a message to the Germans and Japanese to surrender, or they'll be next.

[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Plus, Italy. "Hand over the fresh pasta, all of it." would be enough. Just don't forget to send them a note. It might save Monte Cassino Abbey and a bunch of other cool stuff.

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 4 points 4 days ago

Boomers and SSGNs are stationed at either Kings Bay, GA or Naval Base Kitsap in Washington.

[–] metaStatic@kbin.earth 2 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Why attack Russia? Aren't they our friends now?

edit: anyone down voting a relevant terminator reference in this place should be perma banned from the internet

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Korea is split in 2 courtesy of the Soviet Union and China post-WWII.

And then there's the whole Cold War, Berlin Wall, gulags, etc.

[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Ukraine, Cuba, South America, Africa, election interference, OPEC, and the list goes on.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 2 points 4 days ago

Ask Patton.

[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

I like your style.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Wouldn't most US military equipment become pretty useless without jet fuel (also needed for tanks), the Internet and GPS?

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 15 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The engine in the Abrams is actually a "multi-fuel" engine. It's probably cleanest and most efficient on jet fuel, but it can run on marine diesel which is basically trash fuel.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Run it on moonshine.

[–] Delta_V@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

torpedo juice

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Reminds me of the movie The Final Countdown…

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago

Minot. Curtis LeMay would have had wet dreams over it.

[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I would take fort castra back if it were a guaranteed win just to see how the fuck they manage to pull it off.

[–] verity_kindle@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

I had to look up castras and now, I must subscribe to your newsletter.

[–] Inucune@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Fort Polk not listed because they're that bad.

[–] mariusafa@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 4 days ago

Norfolk

[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Fort Hood.

[–] mkwt@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Now known as Cavazos. The country decided to maybe not name bases after traitorous losers.

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee -3 points 4 days ago

Fort Hood

[–] verity_kindle@sh.itjust.works -1 points 4 days ago

Thank you for your insight. The Army doesn't have bases, they have "posts". That one was my grandparents' first post after they got married. My mother was born in the post hospital at Fort Bragg. I don't know you. You don't know me. Have a nice evening, anyways.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 days ago

Sierra Army depot, there is probably some weird shit there thatd be fun to give to the WW2 US military.

[–] deuleb_biezelbob@programming.dev 2 points 4 days ago

Waco