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That feeling when your “cool-ass girl” can’t dig your online monkey torture vids (arstechnica.com)
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TRIGGER FUCKING WARNING! Animal abuse.

The name actually makes these videos sound more innocuous than they are. While crushing a monkey to death would be terrible enough, the "clients" in this private online group wanted to watch monkeys tortured for hours. They complained when the monkeys died too quickly. They suggested dressing baby monkeys in diapers and yellow outfits, then feeding them with bottles in front of their parents—before brutally breaking bones, severing limbs, inflicting pain with fishhooks and pliers and skewers, burning wounds with lighters, gluing various bodily orifices closed, attacking them with snakes, and sexually abusing them.

What in the actual fuck. This is some of the most depraved shit I can imagine. Partway through the article, I just started skimming and then just noped out. These people suck.

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 73 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I was pretty sickened by reading this, till I reached the part where the writer brought up the Telegram founder arrest, then it read like a manufacturing consent type piece.

It’s exactly this kind of stuff, which makes normal people feel sick and question the sanity of others, that was used to push things like the Patriot Act, the internet used to be filled with videos of ISIS etc. beheading people. Now I am wondering if the clients weren’t three letter agency operatives, but many real people are sickos too.

I don’t trust any writer who says, directly or indirectly, that we can trust the government unequivocally. People need encryption tools. The U.S. would not have been allowed to form if the British empire had mass surveillance like we do now.

[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, the immediate spam of anti-telegram news really rubs me the wrong way. Like, it's a tool. It's not corporate generated content, it's user created content. The users are just gonna go somewhere else for their fucked up shit.

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

the internet used to be filled with videos of ISIS etc. beheading people

I have literally never come across such a video. I am sure there are such videos somewhere online, and have been in the past too, but equally I am sure that no ordinary web user is likely to accidentally come across them.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 24 points 2 weeks ago

I am old enough to remember when a “Hosted on LiveLeak” was a genuine content warning

[–] Grimy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

There were numerous gore subreddits and I remember seeing some seriously heavy videos on Facebook, albeit rarely. Even today, Reddit has a lot of war gore (Ukraine mostly), as well as crazyfuckingvideos with shooting videos and what have you.

I remember I think two months ago, here on Lemmy, I was reading an article that was shared. The OP had stated there were hard images to look at, the first few were nothing bad and the warning was mild, so I continued but midway, it turned into headless corpses and things. This was an account of stuff that happened in China a few decades ago, so it's not like I was purposely looking for monkey gore or anything.

And not to mention all the stuff that was shown to me in highschool from friends which is actually the first time I saw a beheading video. The latest was a Tiktok video that was made to look like something else and switched to a beheading after a few seconds.

I think you just got lucky tbh. This stuff isn't just on the deep web, sometimes you don't even have to look for it.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

You must be young.

[–] Paraponera_clavata@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

I think "used to be" is key here. After 911 there were tons of violent anti Muslim videos.

[–] Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Well, you're one of the lucky 10,000 today! I'm sending over a video now!

/j

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 weeks ago

I have had a fellow student randomly show me a cartel execution on YouTube before the automatic filters got better. It’s out there, and it’s possible to encounter it by accident.

[–] breakingcups@lemmy.world 55 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I genuinely wonder what kind of fucking damage you have to have to seek out this shit, wtf...

Seriously, if you're reading this and this appeals to you, I implore you to not feed this machine money and instead confide in a therapist. I'm not judging you for the way you were molded but I will commend you for taking a first step to break out of that mold of your own accord.

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

In addition to my above comment I'll add specifically on response to this question: I've noticed that in addition to Maslow's hierarchy of needs, people specifically need to feel as though they are in control of getting those needs met in some way. And this can be different for each individual depending at the very least on what they're physically capable of, but also what they can cognitively and emotionally manage. I suspect this is because if you didn't cause it to happen, then that means it's being controlled by some outside force, which means it can just as easily stop happening.

So in addition to having food, a house, etc, you have to feel as though you, at least in some small way, caused yourself to have food and a house. And this can even manifest in someone causing unsafe situations, especially if that need has consistently been unattainable, because they still won't have whatever it is, but at least they then feel as though they have control over it. You see this all the time with personality disorders (I should know, I've got one that took 3 years of therapy to get under control), but the level of dysfunction described here is... extreme to say the least.

This particular type of problem in this article is usually caused by dysfunction the esteem/respect level of needs. When you can't cause yourself to be respected, you cause yourself to be feared. And because being feared is a fundamentally unstable system (most victims will start standing up for themselves eventually and at least in some small way), it can escalate very quickly and often even before the people directly involved realize what's happening. It also tends to be very difficult to undo and return to a place of positive esteem because the person has lost the trust of those around them.

And fundamentally, as with any problem of this nature, the person themselves has to take a leading role in their own recovery, and by the time you're this deep in, that's very unlikely to happen. I was just cutting myself to get people's pity and yelling / bucking up at people who upset me as a young adult and it still took me three years of wholeheartedly engaging in literally the most intensive therapy that exists to get to the level of functioning I'm at now; this is... a little farther down the rabbit-hole.

[–] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

In my youth I'd seek out the worst of the worst, back when the Internet was still mostly the wild west. One day I just stopped. Now it makes me sick.

I'm not sure what switch flipped in me. 3 guys, 1 hammer used to bother me a bit, that video of the kid being crushed by the elevator got to me, and there were a few others. But most things just didn't register. Now I don't have any desire to see anything worse than a Saw movie and that's because I know no one was actually hurt.

I will say that in my very young life I was in a terrible situation, and even after that I lived in a less than ideal situation (my adoptive parents are great people, just uneducated and didn't have the time or resources to get me the help I needed). I was very much a product of my environment for many years. I was angry and just wanted to see people hurt because I was hurt. That was probably a huge part of it. One day that just stopped.

So I'll second this call for therapy. You don't have to be this way. I can only speak for myself but I hated being that way. I'm glad I'm not coming up through puberty or my 20s now because there's no telling what the hell I would have gotten up to.

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

They're also likely doing it to the monkeys because the consequences are lighter than doing it to humans (not that that makes it more or less ok). Note that they want to see them in diapers and bottle-fed, which is not something monkeys typically do. Specifically, I suspect that while the acts are likely illegal, possessing the media itself probably isn't, while it very much would be if it was a human child.

I used to work on a unit for men with charges, so we often got men who could not be placed on the coed unit next door. One time when we had a particularly high number of men on suicide watch, a member of administration came to investigate why we had so many. I informed him that many of them were due to sexual misconduct; they would engage in self-injurious behavior so that they would have 1:1 observation assigned, which is a task mostly done by nursing assistants. Because Healthcare is largely female dominated and nursing assistant is often a role for less experienced workers or those in school, most of the nursing assistants were female and in their early 20s (if not 18-19). They then had a young woman to masturbate to that would literally be fired if they lost line of sight.

These observations were also usually ordered by a male doctor who wanted to play it safe rather than risk his medical license on one of them being willing to actually off themselves when he could have ordered the observation. I typically managed this by making sure to assign a male staff member, (and in particular the gassy one when possible since he preferred sitting to rounding anyway), but I wasn't always on shift to make those assignments and often even when I was there were only female staff members on duty and the best I could do was assigning the bitchiest middle aged woman possible, but I digress.

The admin guy wanted to know if they were somehow misguided enough that they thought this would be sexually appealing because some fucking how the (as it turned out) director of psychiatry for the hospital didn't have the perspective to understand that that was just the closest they could get to regularly raping someone without consequences (I will give him the grace of understanding that he was not and likely never was a forensic psychiatrist).

TLDR; what they can "get away with" is definitely a factor here. This isn't them getting off on the most extreme thing possible. They would do worse / more illicit if they could.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Whoa whoa wait hold up

Your jail had a coed wing??

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

Psych specializing in charges

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 20 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

When the apes rise I'm joining them.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 weeks ago

Humans had their chance.

[–] VelvetStorm@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Honestly, some people are beyond saving and should just be removed from society.

[–] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

This is why I say I'm broadly against the death penalty.

[–] teft@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

And that's enough internet for today...

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 10 points 2 weeks ago

I avoided this article on Ars today for a reason....

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

The world would be far nicer if the sadists could follow an inverse golden rule and do unto themselves what they want done to others

[–] big_slap@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

igornace is truly bliss, what tf did I just read..

[–] 2xsaiko@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 weeks ago

Article from 5 months ago about another one of these groups: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/13643441

[–] satanmat@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I want to be a better person… but if you said; “do unto others “ … I’d accept that it would done unto him as punishment

[–] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Hmm maybe these people need the old "Of Mice and Men" treatment.

[–] aiccount@monyet.cc -4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

If this was a factory farm and people were maybe going to eat the animals after the torture, it would still be just as deprived. Remember this next time your order your burger or chicken strips. If you are disgusted by this, as you absolutely should be, then pay the extra 30% for fairly treated animals. If you don't know where your food is coming from then it is probably from torturous factory farms.

You can do better and the animals deserve better. This isn't even a call for veganism, just a call for making sure that the animals you eat at least get to live without being tortured like they are at nearly all factory farms. There is plenty of factory farm footage out there for anyone who wants to bury their heads in the sand and pretend like torture isn't routine for most of the animals raised for meat.

The fact that it's common doesn't make it morally justified.

If my comment upsets you, then it is almost certainly your own actions that are actually upsetting you.

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

Downvoting this just means you aren't as not ok with the monkey torture as you thought you were.

[–] Sanguine@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago

You're 100% correct but it causes people to look inward and most can't wrestle with that dissonance.

Female animals are repeatedly raped, have their children taken, are forced to produce milk, etc. Males are culled yeaaaars earlier than average life expectancy or turned into meat pulp instantly in the case of chicken farms. Rinse repeat forever. All in disgusting conditions, but hey at least we can eat meat 🙄.

Go against the grain and order plant based alternatives and attempt to eat vegetarian / vegan as often as possible. Try it for 6 months, the meat isn't going anywhere.