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[–] LibertyLizard 242 points 4 months ago (38 children)

I reject the premise that right-wingers can be anarchists. I don’t care what they call themselves. Anarchism is a left-wing movement, fundamentally.

[–] WaterSword@discuss.tchncs.de 150 points 4 months ago (2 children)

anarcho-capitalism is actually corporate fascism

[–] LibertyLizard 55 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A bit debatable on the individual level but that’s likely what it would lead to. Some ancaps are weirdly anti-corporate though. They think somehow big powerful corporations were created by the state. Which is true in some cases but clearly not in others.

[–] mark3748@sh.itjust.works 44 points 4 months ago (7 children)

All corporations are created by the state. Corporations only exist because of the laws that create them. Without that special legal status it’s pretty much impossible to grow to the sizes most corporations do.

[–] poVoq 44 points 4 months ago (29 children)

The same is true for private-property and capitalism in general, which is why "anarcho-capitalism" is so absurd.

[–] mark3748@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 months ago

I wholeheartedly agree!

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[–] LibertyLizard 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’m not sure I fully agree… some corporate entities are large enough to be self reinforcing. In practice they may end up recreating the state, but I don’t think it’s necessary impossible for large corporate structures to emerge in a stateless society. Of course, the nature of the stateless society is a very important variable here. A society that is hostile to accumulated wealth and social domination would make this much more difficult.

[–] mark3748@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

A corporation is a legal construct. While it’s theoretically possible for a single business to grow very large, most of the exploitation and legal cover provided by the simple act of incorporation becomes nearly impossible.

Plus without a state to push down competition, it becomes a lot harder to monopolize a market. Ideally there wouldn’t even be a market to monopolize, but that’s a different discussion altogether.

[–] LibertyLizard 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

Incorporation is just a formality required by law. Corporations could still exist through internal cooperation without that, as long as there is no outside force that disrupts them.

In the absence of the state, a corporate structure can pursue its own coercive methods to maintain market dominance. And of course, some markets are naturally prone to monopoly due to the barriers to competition.

Anything the state can do, a large enough corporation can do as well. So this logic just doesn’t add up.

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[–] Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Are large street gangs (Crips, etc.) not an example of a huge corporation operating outside the benefits of the law?

[–] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

A corporation by definition benefits from the law.

Corporations are businesses that have been given the the legal rights of a person. As if they had a body. Or corpus, if you will.

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[–] rambling_lunatic@sh.itjust.works 14 points 4 months ago

It's just latter-day feudalism. Their program is to Make Landlords Lords Again.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 32 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If they didn't blatantly steal ideas from the left and twist it to support rich people, where would they get ideas? Have you stopped and considered how mentally bankrupt they are?

[–] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 14 points 4 months ago

Literally I think I've seen a handful or fewer conservative memes that weren't just a shitty spin on a leftists meme.

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, and I think that’s the joke here.

[–] LibertyLizard 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Kind of seems like that’s what they’re getting at but I find this linguistic deception so irritating that I can’t even tolerate the implicit suggestion here that the top dude might be some kind of anarchist.

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[–] ByteOnBikes 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Back The Blue supporters jamming to Rage against the Machine for decades then suddenly getting upset at the band.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Same vibes as when they got mad at Green Day for trashing Trump. Like they never paid attention at all.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

But a punk band trashing a right-wing president? That's never happened before!

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Having "less government" eventually crosses a threshold into having "no functional macro government at all".

What you do after that threshold is entirely open ended.

Anarchism is not owned by one political group, the ideation of what comes next is. (In leftist groups, collectivism via willful participation, focused on meeting the needs of all members of the group. In right groups, what amounts to libertarian bartering and more insular communing.)

[–] LibertyLizard 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (10 children)

Anarchism is about opposition to all oppression and unjust hierarchies. If you are pro-capitalism, pro-patriarchy, pro-white supremacy, or pro-nationalism, you aren’t an anarchist. Sorry.

And if you aren’t any of those things, what affinity do you have with the political right?

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 54 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Jesse plemons was awesome in this scene, but I'm not sure if the character is someone leftist anarchists want to model themselves after lol

[–] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 28 points 4 months ago

That's what I thought. The meme is backwards.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 40 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Meth Daemon: "Paris Commune of 1927 or Shanghai Commune of 1928?"

Wagner Moura: "Neither. They both deprived the aristocracy of their rightfully contracted private property."

Meth Daemon: "Die Heretic!"

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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 months ago (9 children)

I was surprised by how much I enjoyed that movie.

[–] Contentedness@lemmy.nz 13 points 4 months ago

One of the best movies I've seen in a long time! Great acting, music, writing, costumes, concept, locations. Proper cinematic experience!

[–] cradac@feddit.org 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] modus@lemmy.world 13 points 4 months ago
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[–] flicker@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (3 children)

It was insanely good! And no one I know went to see it!

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[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (18 children)

Why is the Gadsden flag placed alongside a thin blue line flag? Those symbols are mutually exclusive. I would also strongly question the intent of the valknut symbol.

[–] Saledovil@sh.itjust.works 35 points 4 months ago (7 children)

Ancaps are not ideologically consistent.

[–] Kalcifer@sh.itjust.works 8 points 4 months ago

I would hesitate to call this only an inconsistency; it's really more of an example of cognitive dissonance.

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[–] stabby_cicada 19 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (11 children)

Standard libertarian/ancap combo. Don't tread on me (the Gadsden flag), tread on my enemies (the thin blue line flag). The valknut signals who those enemies are (blacks and immigrants) just in case the thin blue line by itself wasn't explicitly racist enough.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Why is the Gadsden flag placed alongside a thin blue line flag? Those symbols are mutually exclusive.

You should tell that to the endless sea of car bumpers and flagpoles I see flying both those flags and a Trump flag.

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[–] perishthethought@lemm.ee 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Can I get a guide to all those logos, please?

[–] jagungal@lemmy.world 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

The yellow and black flag is the ancap (anarcho-capitalist) flag. The rattlesnake is a libertarian icon and says "don't step on me". Bitcoin was built out of a libertarian idea that the government was to blame for the 2008 GFC because they somehow regulated the banks too much, so a decentralized digital currency was the best way to get around that regulation. ETA: the black and white US flag with the blue stripe is the "thin blue line" flag, flown by supporters of the police, typically a symbol used by the right wing of America. The three interlocking triangles form the valknut, a symbol used by ancient Germanic people's, and currently used by people who identify with Germany and the Vikings; white supremacists make up a large group who fit this description.

The red and black flag is an anarchist flag, a combination of two older anarchist flags: the black flag and the red flag. The ancap flag is descended from this one, replacing the red with gold (because gold is a very old and widely used form of currency, and money good, government bad). The purple and black one is the anarcha-feminst flag, and they also use the pink and black flag, but it's primarily seen as the queer anarchist flag. I'm sure I don't need to explain the LGBT+ flag. All Cops Are Bastards (ACAB) is a popular slogan amongst anarchists because cops are the strong arm of the state, and as such Black Lives Matter is a movement that a lot of anarchists strongly identify with and support.

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Top panel: Gadsden flag (no step on snek!) with anarcho-capitalist black stripe, Bitcoin logo, "blue lives matter" boot-flavored US flag, "better dead than red" anticommunist Gadsden flag, and a tri-something-or-other that's a Norse symbol co-opted by Nazis who are legally prohibited from using a swastika. Altogether: Ayn Rand's fanclub.

Bottom panel: black power first, feminist... power fist?... "all cops are bastards," self-explanatory BLM, three flavors of anarchism, oddly subdued anarchism circle-A, and a transgender flag with what I think is the same oddly subdued circle-A getting lost in JPG's chroma subsampling. Even though this is a PNG.

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[–] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

AnCaps are basically Anarchism minus the political theory (aka all the core fundemental values of Anarchism) and with too much economic theory from Murray Rothbard ("free market" capitalism). The best thing I can say about them is that most of them grow out of it and choose an actual version of Anarchism as soon as they're exposed to theory (at least I did and now I'm an AnSynd).

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