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Friend who is not a software person sent me this tweet, which amused me as it did them. They asked if "runk" was real, which I assume not.

But what are some good examples of real ones like this? xz became famous for the hack of course, so i then read a bit about how important this compression algorithm is/was.

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[–] ParadeDuGrotesque@lemmy.sdf.org 317 points 3 months ago (4 children)

There is a guy named Arthur David Olson who maintains a small database of all the time zones in the world, including things like leap seconds and such. It's used by everybody and it is updated several times a year. See here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tz_database

[–] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 82 points 3 months ago (1 children)

If we could all just stop making changes to time zones, that would make my job very slightly easier.

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[–] onlinepersona@programming.dev 32 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I bet he's paid nothing to do it. Then one day, when a timing attack happens that can be traced to the DB, some knobhead CTOs and tech influencers will start talking about "securing the supply chain". They'll want other such bullshit and responsibilities to be shoved unto volunteers.

Two quotes come to mind "Fuck you, pay me" and "Open source maintainers owe you nothing".

Anti Commercial-AI license

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[–] thorisalaptop@lemmy.world 197 points 3 months ago (16 children)

Sqlite isn’t quite one person, but it is a very small team and is extremely widely used. https://www.sqlite.org/mostdeployed.html

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[–] something_random_tho@lemmy.world 168 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Curl comes to mind. Libcurl is at the foundation of almost all networking.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 70 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And they still get emails from randos when some program that uses curl doesn't work (the Readme is top notch).

[–] subtext@lemmy.world 42 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

I cannot for the life of me find what you’re referencing. I only remember the sqlite / etilqs fiasco with McAfee.

https://github.com/mackyle/sqlite/blob/a009acaca1fe25d909d8b5180c0120af1abc2b82/src/os.h#L56-L79

[–] chameleon@fedia.io 49 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] refalo@programming.dev 47 points 3 months ago

curl is most definitely not developed solely by one person though, it has thousands of contributors. in fact, there is so much red tape around curl that you can't even discuss making a change to it without first writing an RFC and having it approved by a committee.

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[–] dosse91@lemmy.trippy.pizza 141 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I'd say ffmpeg is a good example, it's used by almost every piece of software that has to manipulate audio or video (including messaging applications), yet not many people know about its existance.

[–] Fred@programming.dev 68 points 3 months ago (1 children)

And Fabrice Bellard, the original author of ffmpeg, went on to create qemu which pretty much made open-source virtualization possible. Also TCC (even if I don't think that one is widely used), he established a world record for computing decimals of Pi using a single machine that had ~2000× less FLOPS than the previous record, and so much more...

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[–] Godort@lemm.ee 130 points 3 months ago (3 children)

NTP is the one that comes to mind for me.

Basically every device uses it and until fairly recently was maintained by a single person

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 122 points 3 months ago (15 children)

I mean, it was either Richard Stallman or Dennis Ritchie that created grep in an evening so that a buddy of his could do research on volumes of text that wouldn't fit in the RAM of a PDP-11 (or similar machine. I'm telling this story from memory). It's designed to do what you would do with the ancient text editor ed using the commands Global, Regular Expression, and Print. g re p. grep. Probably the most important piece of software ever written in a couple hours.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 37 points 3 months ago

I'm telling this story from memory

pun intended? ;D

[–] dellish@lemmy.world 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Relevant, for those interested in the history of grep. Computerphile

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[–] zygo_histo_morpheus@programming.dev 119 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

I'm surprised that no one seems to have brought up curl, which is maintained by Daniel Stenberg who is Just Some Guy™

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[–] prayer@sh.itjust.works 117 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I saw a post earlier about Empress returning to game cracking. For modern video games that use Denuvo DRM, she's the only person who can really crack it, as far as I know. Singlehandedly holding up the AAA game piracy scene.

[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 107 points 3 months ago (2 children)

She is kind of a shithead tbf and fwiw it’s more like she’s the only person who is willing to do it. granted cracking denuvo is something that is extremely difficult and only a small subset of people can do but it’s not like she’s literally the only person on the planet who can. There was that guy who would just release the yearly update of football manager, for one.

It’s far more likely the people who have that skill set just don’t really want to bother with cracking videogames and the potential legal issues that come with distributing them online.

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 44 points 3 months ago (2 children)

True, but being the only person willing to do something is kind of laudable in it's own right. Like all of the open source projects relied upon by millions that are sometimes developed primarily by one person in their free time.

[–] quixotic120@lemmy.world 38 points 3 months ago (1 children)

but my (not really my) conspiracy theory for this is the opposite of open source: when someone is good at cracking games companies like denuvo track them down and offer them jobs to harden their product and take another cracker out of the scene. like I bet denuvo is just filled with nerds that spent their teenage years in sketchy irc rooms with handles like -DooMSlAyEr- and used to actually be members of razor1911 before they realized they could get game companies to pay them 200k a year

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[–] cafuneandchill@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

In other words, the Scene is Dead

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[–] Sparky@lemmy.blahaj.zone 95 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

Idk who needs to know this, but in Norwegian "runke" means to jerk off. "runk" is the word you add a prefix to in conjugation to get the different inflections

  • runke - jerk off
  • runker - jerking off
  • runket - jerked off

Etc...

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[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 95 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

Based on my cheatsheet, GNU Coreutils, sed, awk, ImageMagick, exiftool, jdupes, rsync, jq, par2, parallel, tar and xz utils are examples of commands that I frequently use but whose developers I don't believe receive any significant cashflow despite the huge benefit they provide to software developers. The last one was basically taken over in by a nation-state hacking team until the subtle backdoor for OpenSSH was found in 2024-03 by some Microsoft guy not doing his assigned job.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 33 points 3 months ago

And those are only fully packaged user-facing software.

I'd guess almost all of the Rust code for low level hardware access is maintained by a single person. Most of them once joined forces and created a standard, it had 4 developers last time I checked. The only usable cryptography library for C# has a single developer, and while on crypto, that meme got widespread because of OpenSSL, that had a single developer who spent most of his time on OpenSSH and other BSD user-facing software.

Also, while we are on crypto, the modern algorithms were all created by a single researcher, that got famous for a work on how to decide if you can trust a crypto algorithm. Almost everybody uses his code.

Anyway, that meme first appeared because of Javascript, when a developer removed his library (with ~10 lines of code) from the language's repository and almost every Javascript software broke.

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[–] MossyFeathers@pawb.social 81 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

Furthermore, "RUNK" was originally made in the 1980s to take over from a program written on punch cards in the 1960s. Finally, it's missing some important functions that the original 60s program had because "RUNK"s developer doesn't see the purpose of those functions and refuses to add them; and no one has publically released a fork of "RUNK" that adds those functions back in, so you have to do it yourself. Thank God it's open source.

Edit: oh yeah, and back in 2005 there was an effort to make a GUI for it, but "RUNK's" sole developer got mad because "back in the 80s we didn't need GUIs; command line is infinitely faster" and kept intentionally breaking support for the GUI with each bug fix, leading to the project eventually being abandoned.

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[–] Aatube@kbin.melroy.org 81 points 3 months ago (2 children)

core-js (whose maintainer is also a bit picky about and probably doesn't understand the OSS process) Phil Katz, the guy who invented .zip. To this day, every .zip file contains his initials in hexadecmial. His story is incredibly interesting.

[–] Pyro@programming.dev 52 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

The core-js story always makes me sad. Sure, he's developing an open source project and no one HAS to pay him. But the meager amount of donations and the tons of hate he receives isn't justifiable.

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[–] Holyhandgrenade@lemmy.world 72 points 3 months ago (11 children)

Runk means masturbation in Icelandic so that adds another layer of hilarity to this

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[–] mox@lemmy.sdf.org 69 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I nominate Paul Eggert and Arthur Olson before him, for the tz database, which we all depend upon whenever the time at which something happens (or did or will happen) matters.

Edit: Tom Scott touches on the subject here.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 64 points 3 months ago

The guy that runs Rufus.

[–] Moah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 58 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I believe the quintessential example is curl Also here's the relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/2347/

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[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 56 points 3 months ago

Paul Eggart is the primary maintainer for tzdb, and has been for the past 20 years.
Tzdb is the database that maintains all of the information about timezones, timezone changes, leap whatever's and everything else. It's present on just about every computer on the planet and plays an important role in making sure all of the things do time correctly.

If he gets hit by a bus, ICANN is responsible for finding someone else to maintain the list.

Sqlite is the most widely used database engine, and is primarily developed by a small handful of people.

ImageMagick is probably the most iconic example. Primarily developed by John Cristy since 1987, it's used in a hilarious number of places for basic image operations. When a security bug was found in it a bit ago, basically every server needed to be patched because they all do something with images.

[–] angelmountain@feddit.nl 53 points 3 months ago (24 children)

Git, by Linus? Maybe even linux itself? Ok actually Linus might just be Steve Wozniak without an annoying Steve Jobs guy next to him, while actually being a lot bigger than Apple maybe?

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[–] CodexArcanum@lemmy.world 53 points 3 months ago (7 children)

I think this probably applies...

So Thief: The Dark Project (1999) and Thief 2: The Metal Age (2000), are a couple of classic stealth FPS games, proto-immersive-sims, and still some of my all time favorite games. They both use the Dark Engine, an in-house engine from the now defunt Looking Glass Studios, which also powered System Shock 2.

In 2010, the source code to a System Shock 2 port (for the dreamcast or ps2 iirc...) leaked online, and on 2012 someone used that code to create NewDark and TFix, patches to make these old games work on modern computers (and some bugfixes, support for HD, etc).

There are still updates regularly released for it too!

I must emphasize that these games are still sold on Steam, GOG, etc and this patch is essentially required for them to work. And these are hardly the only games like this, just the ones most personal to me. Retrogaming is built on the backs of unsung individual heroes who backwards-engineer, hack, patch, and mod their favorite games to keep them running for everyone long after the publishers have died or abandoned their work.

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[–] runeko@programming.dev 51 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Pretty much every basic terminal command for linux. Grep is the one that comes to mind.

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[–] LouNeko@lemmy.world 49 points 3 months ago

Until very recently the whole Resident Evil modding community relied solely on a Maya 3DS script that a Chinese dude named Maliwei777 created in 2012. The community cherished that script but it got harder and harder to get the correct 3DS version to run it.

[–] Omgpwnies@lemmy.world 46 points 3 months ago (5 children)
[–] magic_smoke@links.hackliberty.org 33 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Azer did nothing wrong.

Laurie Voss made a bad call and should feel bad.

The principals of free software was, is, and always will be more important than every single dollar in silicon valley combined.

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[–] frezik@midwest.social 46 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak are the classic example. Jobs has some technical skill, but not a lot. He's the "ideas guy" that all other "ideas guy" try to be. I don't have a lot of respect for the "idea guy"; Jobs was a manipulative narcissist, and he should not be emulated.

Woz, OTOH, is an absolute genius, and one of the most genuinely nice people you'll ever meet. Apple made him enough money that he can do whatever he wanted with his life, and what he wanted was to do cool things with computers and pull harmless pranks.

Bill Gates had Steve Ballmer and Paul Allen. That was more of a collaboration. They all had some level of technical and business skill mixed together. It wasn't quite the complementary skillset we see with Jobs and Woz. A lot of Microsoft's success was being in the right place at the right time to make the right deal.

[–] JeffKerman1999@sopuli.xyz 34 points 3 months ago (10 children)

A lot of Microsoft's success was being in the right place at the right time to make the right deal.

It was also having friends on the IBM board that signed a contract that didn't make any commercial sense....

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[–] CameronDev@programming.dev 45 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (11 children)

Is-even and is-odd on npm.

For a while, openssl was maintained by 1 or 2 people.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 50 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Like half of the npm is maintained by a single, arguably awful, person who writes his microprojects into large pieces of software to maximize how often his code gets installed.

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Is-even and is-odd are the stupidest packages ever written. Except for all the others that guy wrote.

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[–] IceHouse@lemmy.zip 41 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Mark Russanovich was just some guy who had trouble fixing Windows computers so he wrote systernals from scratch including widely used psexec and other required tools if you are forced to be a windows admin. He has since grown up into a very hansom man who runs Azure which sucks.

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[–] deathmetal27@lemmy.world 40 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Imagemagick.

Every website that supports avatar images and has multiple sizes of the avatars uses imagemagick.

Another one is OpenSSL.

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