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Not My Castle, Not My Monkeys. (slrpnk.net)
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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I believe that it's a team of four people, each with strengths and weaknesses who are on a common journey and have teamed up against the elements and a vengeful antagonist while on a journey to meet a common consultant.

I can't speak for Scarecrow and Lion, but in the book the tin man absolutely had prior business with the WWW that didn't end well.

All four of the travelers had a problem with no clear answer and were going to ask the Wizard who might have some sound advice. So it's a road trip for folks with a common destination

Also the flying monkeys were their own people and geased to obey the amulet, which WWW possessed.

Also, the solution really was the friends they made along the way. If I were Dorothy, I'd rather be there than Kansas.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 22 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

In the books she does stay in Oz and obtains magical keys and shit. The movie ended up being an "Adventure's over, girls, go back home where you're safe and sound" propaganda during the time that some people thought women were no longer needed in the workforce.

Honestly pretty insulting to flip the narrative like they did.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The Wizard of Oz was released three weeks before Hitler invaded Poland.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 1 points 5 months ago

Oh wow 1939, yeah. It's still a pretty stark contrast to the original story, though, so I think if I remove the part about end of WWII then it should be fine.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago

Not to mention that Dorothy is a little girl; not a woman! (Unless you abide by the Game of Thrones lore.) And the lion is not a man, so....

[–] yeather@lemmy.ca 34 points 5 months ago (2 children)

In the end doesnt another dude step in and fix most issues fairly easily?

[–] CodingCarpenter@lemm.ee 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

And she wouldn't have even found these broken guys had she not straight up murdered someone to begin with and then stolen their shoes

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 43 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I wouldn't exactly call being trapped in a house that was lifted by a tornado and dropped on someone's head "murder" in the classical sense. And it's not like the witch was going to need those shoes anymore. Besides, Dorothy didn't steal the shoes, the "Good" Witch Of The North looted them off the dead body and gave them to Dorothy. Are you going to turn down shoes from some weirdo that just pulled them off a dead body like it wasn't the first time that's happened?

[–] CodingCarpenter@lemm.ee 14 points 5 months ago

That's fair. I would not actively seek to upset that person

[–] flicker@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

I'm gonna be honest. Someone puts shoes on me without me knowing and then asserts that they are magic? I'm taking the shoes. They're mine now.

[–] 800XL@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Knowingly accepting stolen property is a misdemeanor that carries with it jail time, a fine, restitution or probation. Depending on what those ruby red slippers were valued at, it would be a felony.

[–] Bonehead@kbin.social 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

She literally had just came out of a house that was thrown far away from her home town by a tornado. She was likely traumatized, in shock, and didn't know what was going on. She's surrounded by a bunch of little people following a weirdo shoe looter that hands her shoes, which she needs as she has none because hers were taken by a tornado. I think any judge would understand the circumstances and let her off.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Typical radical-Oz talk.

(Edit: Don't take me seriously.)

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

Don't confuse Leela with Dorothy

[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Does he? I thought the whole point was they all solve their own problems. And then he fucks up getting her home.

[–] neo@lemy.lol 33 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Man helps women. Bad.
Woman helps men. Bad.

With the Internet, you just cannot win :D

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think there are many beloved films where women help men before solving their own problems.

The problem is when you write in characters to be perfect saviors who only help others as a narrative device to make themselves look good, and not out of any actual need to help each other. Examples: Captain Marvel, Little Mermaid live action, Mulan live action, Velma, Madam Web, Catwoman, the new Star Wars films, etc.

That said, some of these films have an active following. I personally thought Halle Barry Catwoman was good even if the character had less of a character arc rather she just got forcibly overwritten.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

But that basketball scene!!!!!!!!!!

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 4 points 5 months ago

The villain is what really made the film for me, she was conflicted and had made too many mistakes to back down so she just went postal. That's the real story.

[–] slacktoid@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I want to believe that its just people love to removed and complain, and they end up being a vocal minority.

also being reactionary is easy clicks and lols

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Oh this community bans the word Bitch? Fascinating.

Wait... It's not that....

[–] MBM@lemmings.world 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Lemmy.ml bans the word

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 points 5 months ago

Ha, serves them right for even using that instance. Whole thing is run by the same people as Hexbear.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What a stupid word to remove in any community. Don't women call each other that word as a term of endearment sometimes?

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Oh, you know how it is. Everybody has a 0 tolerance policy for something.

Personally, I support freedom of language in most cases. If some bad actors decide to show the world what kind of person they are, why stop them?

An exception for me is if the closed community starts using slurs excessively to the point that it cannot be moderated, like when WSB Apes started using Retard in every other sentence as "person who makes poor decisions".

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The difference between the wsb community and the women community is that the wsb one is a bunch of.... I don't even know how to describe them. Clowns? I don't know! So if all of them want to do that, including the moderators, then so be it. It's stupid, but whatever.

The women community seems like it's more civilized. So if there is the occasional "thanks, b****" from one woman to another in a clearly jokingly manner, or if the context allows it, then it should be fine. And you just said it; someone will at some point show their true colors and say something they really mean, like "of course you think like that, you b****." That person will stand out. Easy to spot, easy to ban.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

WSB had degree holding data analysts and professional investors with many multi-millionaires in their ranks, we all like to think our own communities are better than others but that's rarely true. At least before the golden age of llm bots we're in now.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I don't belong to this community lol. I just clicked on a post in my main feed.

I used to hang out in WSB back in the gamestop days.

data analysts and professional investors

There you go. Clowns.

Edit: Downvoted by clown-lovers.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

No matter what community you're in, you probably pale in comparison to the aforementioned clowns in many aspects.

[–] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 0 points 5 months ago

Well, of course! I never said the opposite. But we're talking about communication tone in different communities, and WSB is its own thing.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Woman helps women destroy bad men and rule good men.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 18 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

"As for you, young lady, you want to go home, right?"

"No, not anymore. I wanna stay here and become the new Wicked Witch."

"Nonsense. Now click your big, honking boots together three times and wish to go home to Kansas, to live in poverty with your dirt-farming, tee-totalling aunt and uncle!"

"Uh, all right. Here I go..."

[–] Doof@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

It’s a story a pooling together making up for each others weaknesses and work as a team. in the end finding with some confidence or perspective from the people around them they may have had it in them all along but sometimes we need someone to show us the way. It’s a story how we are a collective people who are all individuals within them.

Though I realize the original post is just an easy joke

[–] nyahlathotep@sh.itjust.works 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I only saw the movie once in elementary school, and I was bored throughout, but doesn't she offer to help them? Like, because she's a good person?

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I think the implication is that a woman exists to help others, rather than herself. That you're only good if you prioritize the men in your life - like you mentioned yourself.

I don't agree, but see the link.

[–] nyahlathotep@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 months ago

I can see that

[–] therealjcdenton@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 months ago

And at the end they realize they never needed her

[–] daemoz@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

IDK about this one. The sequel (which is definitely canon /s) she lives in a mental institution from her severe delusions. at the end of the original she wakes up from her episode surrounded by loving family and all of those broken fantasy men are farm hands concerned about her. - just a joke

[–] esc27@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago

Two women fight to the death over shoes.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Ugh. Just had a long talk with my 14yo tonight about how she won't be able to fix guys.

[–] RampageDon@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

Shouldn't it just be Wary?

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

LoL, wait'll she finds out about Jinjur. 🀣

[–] evidences@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Isn't that one of the Duggar children?

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

You should try reading the books.