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'Zionist-free zone': Israelis are increasingly unwanted at global tourism sites (www.haaretz.com)
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From a hotel in Kyoto to a sandwich joint in Edinburgh, the world is becoming hostile toward Israelis who are learning that a vacation won't shield them from the Gaza war.

During the nine months of war the Israeli tourist experience abroad has been marked by fears of antisemitism and efforts to avoid pro-Palestinian demonstrations.

According to reports by Israeli media and posts online, some of those worries have recently turned real for a number of Israeli tourists.Anecdotal incidents at touristic locations around the world are making it clear that even though there is no official policy of excluding Israelis, that is sometimes the situation on the ground.

An especially bumpy week began on June 17 at the Material Hotel in Kyoto, Japan, when an Israeli named Alex was informed that his reservation had been canceled due to the allegations of Israeli war crimes in Gaza. The Material told Alex that it was "not able to accept reservations from persons we believe might have ties to the Israeli army," as reported by Israeli website Ynet.

The story made the rounds on social media, produced a stern protest letter from Israel's ambassador in Tokyo, and led to a rebuke by the Kyoto municipality that the hotel had breached Japanese business law and must ensure that such a transgression won't happen again.

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[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 21 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Yes it is.

The Israel government does not exist in a vacuum. Its Israelis running the government, Israelis committing war crimes, and its Israelis who should be held accountable for their actions.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

"The American government does not exist in a vacuum. It's Americans running the government, Americans committing war crimes, and it's Americans who should be held responsible for their actions."

[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Glad you get the picture

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

As long as you're consistent. Also make sure to replace the country name with pretty much every large country, since they all commit war crimes. Something about glass houses and throwing stones applies.

[–] ProvableGecko@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Nah actually I won't do that. The USA is special for its status as the hegemon and for the amount and viciousness of the atrocities it committed to uphold that status throughout history. It's up there right next to British and Roman empires and maybe the Mongols.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Don't mistake the inability to commit war crimes at the scope the US does with an unwillingness to.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

"You forget Poland!"

— George W. Bush

[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

Where do you live?

[–] Yen@feddit.uk 20 points 4 months ago

You are not making the point you think you are.

[–] Beetschnapps@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So logical fallacies are valid to you?

[–] ytg@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Its Israelis running the government

Elected government. Have you heard of majority rule? The government needs only 50% + 1 votes to get in power. Also consider the low voter turnout.

[–] awesome_lowlander@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Also consider the low voter turnout.

Isn't that an argument for blaming them? Their govt is ducked and they can't be bothered to vote

[–] ytg@sopuli.xyz 1 points 3 months ago

Maybe? But then you’d have to blame Arab citizens of Israel (however they may identify) the most. They make up a fifth of the population only about 15% of voters (in the last election). There’s a comparison to be drawn to the “not voting for Biden” crowd[1].

[1] - It is different, as Biden is too moderate for some people, but that’s not an issue with Arab parties in Israel. It’s more a feeling that, even with a high seat count, nothing can be done, which may or may not be true.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Oh, so civilian Palestinians are therefore wholly responsible for Hamas attacks in October and suffer reasonable consequences?

Civilians are NOT RESPONSIBLE, I can't believe I have to explain that.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Gaza isn’t a democracy and the average Palestinian wasn’t even born yet when Hamas gained power.

So no.

In a democracy, where the people have the say, they have the responsibility for who they elect to represent and act for them.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

In a perfect democracy, 49% of people can be strictly against the government and its actions, yet you suggest they are responsible for it.

Many Israelis and Jews have denounced the attacks, and should not be responsible for what happens.

[–] SloppyPuppy@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Reminder that the current israeli government got only 49% of the votes. They lost the popular vote so to speak.