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The Israeli government sucks, but it's not fair to punish its traveling citizens for that.
Yes it is.
The Israel government does not exist in a vacuum. Its Israelis running the government, Israelis committing war crimes, and its Israelis who should be held accountable for their actions.
"The American government does not exist in a vacuum. It's Americans running the government, Americans committing war crimes, and it's Americans who should be held responsible for their actions."
Glad you get the picture
As long as you're consistent. Also make sure to replace the country name with pretty much every large country, since they all commit war crimes. Something about glass houses and throwing stones applies.
Nah actually I won't do that. The USA is special for its status as the hegemon and for the amount and viciousness of the atrocities it committed to uphold that status throughout history. It's up there right next to British and Roman empires and maybe the Mongols.
Don't mistake the inability to commit war crimes at the scope the US does with an unwillingness to.
— George W. Bush
Where do you live?
You are not making the point you think you are.
So logical fallacies are valid to you?
Elected government. Have you heard of majority rule? The government needs only 50% + 1 votes to get in power. Also consider the low voter turnout.
Isn't that an argument for blaming them? Their govt is ducked and they can't be bothered to vote
Maybe? But then you’d have to blame Arab citizens of Israel (however they may identify) the most. They make up a fifth of the population only about 15% of voters (in the last election). There’s a comparison to be drawn to the “not voting for Biden” crowd[1].
[1] - It is different, as Biden is too moderate for some people, but that’s not an issue with Arab parties in Israel. It’s more a feeling that, even with a high seat count, nothing can be done, which may or may not be true.
Reminder that the current israeli government got only 49% of the votes. They lost the popular vote so to speak.
Oh, so civilian Palestinians are therefore wholly responsible for Hamas attacks in October and suffer reasonable consequences?
Civilians are NOT RESPONSIBLE, I can't believe I have to explain that.
Gaza isn’t a democracy and the average Palestinian wasn’t even born yet when Hamas gained power.
So no.
In a democracy, where the people have the say, they have the responsibility for who they elect to represent and act for them.
In a perfect democracy, 49% of people can be strictly against the government and its actions, yet you suggest they are responsible for it.
Many Israelis and Jews have denounced the attacks, and should not be responsible for what happens.
Go look up some interviews of Israeli citizens on the street, their Tik Tok videos, etc. and find out what the average Israeli citizen has to say about Palestinians. The entire society has been brainwashed into being genocidal maniacs. The vast majority of the citizens are just as bad as the government.
They all serve in the IDF. They have all been actively involved in war crimes. There are no innocent Israeli adults.
They have not all beem involved in battle in Gaza, and some could also flee to avoid serving.
I can't believe we have to explain that not all citizens are responsible for war when Israel makes such wide radical assumptions to raze Gaza.
You're playing the wrong (Israeli) side when you assume civilians are to blame.
This is going to get you nowhere. What are you saying? Lock everyone up? Despite being wrong and immoral, it's also impractical.
I didn't say any of that shit you made up. It is not immoral for a business to deny service to war criminals and child killers. I'll stand on that any day of the week.
How does that follow? In your opinion, is
involed in war crimesthe same aswar criminals, and that the same aschild killers? Where do you make the distinction, if not?I know. That's why I added a question mark.
OK, why not? Deport them all to their countries of origin and have them tried for their crimes.